You gotta remember that in our country "tax" is a dirty three letter word.

Why do you think the Dems spend so much time trying to call it anything but that? Because "Authors of the largest tax increase in American history" is not a resume item that wins elections. :)

read my lips, No new taxes.:haha:

So how did that work out for that person?

You're spot on August. In Ore-gone, we have don't taxes, we have "fees." They only have income tax and property tax, everything else is a fee.:haha::dead: (oh and a petrol tax)

Put down the Rush Limbaugh and slowly back away. http://www.tampabay.com/news/politic...cle1237768.ece

But why bring facts into the matter when we all have our minds made up anyways?

First off I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh as i've told you before.

Second you miss my point (deliberately I suspect seeing as you went right to the Rush club). "Largest in history", "largest in recent history" "largest in your young lifetime sonny", whatever it actually turns out to be, Obamacare was sold as not being a tax increase. As the Court noted it is going to be exactly that and a huge one. Time will tell who's cost projections are right.

From tax penalties for non compliance to hugely increased insurance premiums for everyone else I think it's going to be a lot more painful to the the middle class who has to pay for it all than the the laws Authors are claiming. We call it Obamacare but if you'll remember he didn't actually write it. He told Congress to come up with something that he'd sign and they did.

But when the pain hits I believe nobody is going to give a rat's patootie what you call it or who wrote it. All they will know is the Democrats are solely responsible for it (the perils of partisan legislation Pauline). They had better hope it works out like they are claiming it will or "Democrat" is going to be a dirty word in the American voting booth for a long time to come.

Let's do the math.
 

Ok, most people I know aren't makeing more than 10 dollars an hour. If they work a 40hr week that's 400 dollars. These people aren't living at home with their folks so they need a place to live that's pretty close to 500 a month, well you have to have power, that can be 100 a month, oh they need water don't want to be stinky at that job, that's 50 a month, got to have a car to go to that, 10 dollar an hr job, most I know are makeing payments let's say 200 a month and let's not forget insurance, that's 150 a month, and that car doesn't run on air, let's say they burn 10 dollars a day average that's 300 dollars a month on gas, damn you know what, you got too eat let's say 10 dollars a day you want to eat better than your car, dang that's another 300 a month. so let's see
after a months work you made 1600 dollars, but first we need to take out the taxes that's close to 200 dollars a month.
1400-500-100-50-200-150-300-300= -200 dollars and I guess you are naked because you can't afford clothes, so can any of you masterminds, tell me that this heathcare tax on everyone is a good idea.

Well it's the partisan attack dogs like Rush that are pushing the "largest tax increase in history" narrative.

Now you're moving the goalposts. You called it the largest tax increase in American history. I provided math that says it's not. Now you claim your point was something completely different.

Ah well. Whatever.

So continue to ignore the point then. That's why discussions around here never get very far. You people like to seize on a single poorly chosen word and beat the horse to death just so you can avoid what the message was all about.

So go ahead and dismiss it. You won't find it so easy to do come November.

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And the reason why discussions never get far is when person A calls person B out on their BS, person B never says "gee, you know, you're right. I was mistaken." but instead comes up with some roundabout reasoning why the clearly wrong thing they said was actually right, and person A is wrong anyways and it doesn't matter because some other fact makes person B right in any case.

"General Topics: where intellectual dishonesty, moving the goalposts, red herrings, appeal to beliefs, and false dilemmas hold sway!"

My "ah well, whatever" stands. You can't win when the "debate" is rigged from the start.

I suppose that happens Mookie but not any more often than the person being addressed seizing on some irrelevant technicality in order to avoid addressing the idea the post was intended to convey.

We have exchanged, what, a half dozen posts here?, and you still ignore my point. If you want to know why these discussions never get far then you need look no further than the mirror.

You too.

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I see we're making progres here.:D
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I'm considering selling commemorative hats :har:

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Well, ain't that what liberals do, besides edit news stories out of context, start every sentence with, aahh see well it's ahhh well aaaaah con per hesive well you see, when they try to explain what they are doing or when they get put on the spot.:har::har::har::har:

Let's face it: as long as hospitals must take people in need, regardless of having insurance or means to pay, the tax payer and insured patients will have to foot the bill. Maybe getting the government to mandate that people pay for the health care they demand is not such a bad thing.

What, if they can't afford it, what about the 40 million people on foodstamps, what about the millions that are on unemployment, what about the millions that have fallen threw the cracks what about the millions of people that are homeless in this country.?????? Obama doesn't Care, all they want is too take more money out of our pockets and spend it, and god only knows where it will go and it won't go to quality heathcare look what happened to medicare and social security and by the way we are 16 trillion in debt can you say greece fire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5ZvQ...eature=related