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Originally Posted by sidslotm (Post 1803512)

Exsample Jesus was not Judgeing the Pharisees when He had a pop at them by calling them hypocrits, because they were hypocrits.

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just about everything Jesus spoke was not judgement, but statement, the exact opposite of politics

Is the following a statement?

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The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles. Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.

Edit: And before someone wants to point out the obvious, no, it's not from the Bible and therefore not directly related to Jesus. I'm just curious of how a "statement" is defined in the above case.

What would Jesus do, well I know he wouldn't be walking around like an atheist on christmas day.:doh:

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Originally Posted by yubba (Post 1803531)

What would Jesus do, well I know he wouldn't be walking around like an atheist on christmas day.:doh:

yes, on christmas day he was singing Happy Birthday, obviously:88)

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Originally Posted by Hottentot (Post 1803513)

Is the following a statement?

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles

Yeah, a political statement by the looks of it, but it's failing is because it should have asking the question " Why " why are we still like this after all these centuries.

why did Cain kill his brother Able when Cain seemed to had it all ? :doh:

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Originally Posted by sidslotm (Post 1803544)

Yeah, a political statement by the looks of it

So we can't say that Marx is not judging the rich people, but simply having a pop at them by calling them oppressors because they were oppressors?

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Originally Posted by sidslotm (Post 1803512)

A lot of people including myself for many years thought this way as well. Exsample Jesus was not Judgeing the Pharisees when He had a pop at them by calling them hypocrits, because they were hypocrits.

When I read these verses again after my mistake was pointed out to me by a kindly man, I saw that just about everything Jesus spoke was not judgement, but statement, the exact opposite of politics, so don't worry about starting a thing with me. :har: maybe Jesus will make a disciple out you yet and greater things will you do.:yeah:

I am not talking about the Pharisees, although I think that you are wrong in your analysis there as well. I am talking about the beatitudes, both in Matthew and Luke.

From the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5: 3-12, NIV:

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3 ***8220;Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 ***8220;Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

From The Sermon on the Plain, Luke 6: 20-22, NIV:

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20 Looking at his disciples, he said:
***8220;Blessed are you who are poor,
for yours is the kingdom of God.
21 Blessed are you who hunger now,
for you will be satisfied.
Blessed are you who weep now,
for you will laugh.
22 Blessed are you when people hate you,
when they exclude you and insult you
and reject your name as evil,
because of the Son of Man.

And then the 'woes' from Luke 6: 24-26, NIV:

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24 ***8220;But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.
25 Woe to you who are well fed now,
for you will go hungry.
Woe to you who laugh now,
for you will mourn and weep.
26 Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you,
for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.

Now, no wise man spoke to me, but from reading this words from some of Jesus' most famous teachings, it is pretty obvious where Jesus says God's judgement will fall. Also, given that his command to his disciples was to litterally give away everything they own, renounce the physical and come follow, I don't think that your argument about Jesus and the rich holds any water at all.

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I saw that just about everything Jesus spoke was not judgement, but statement, the exact opposite of politics

Since when has politics been judgement?
So according to you politics is judgement not statement???????:doh:
there are a hell of a lot of statements in politics, there is also a severe lack of judgement in both action and statement.

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I don't think that your argument about Jesus and the rich holds any water at all

but if you turn that water into wine it may hold better

There are two main reasons why Jesus came to rescue mankind,

to free us from the bondage of our sin, that we might return to living in the Presence of God again.

Also to free us from our law. This is why he did not judge the rich man, but told him if he wanted to follow, he should give all his money away to the poor. Jesus could have quoted many OT scripture here to ram hope the point, but He did'nt, that would have been subjugating the rich man to law of the OT, but instead He highighted the rich mans problem, money.

When moses was given the commandments of Gods law, there were ten, by the time Jesus turned up to free us from this, there were over 600 laws people had to live under, thats without Roman law. We are meant and designed to live by consent, not law.

Jesus gave us friendship and fellowship with each other,
the Greeks turned His work into a philosophy,
the Romans turned His work into an institution,
Europeans then turned His teaching into a way of life,
the Americans turned the word into enterprise.

Back to square one, back under law. :up: hope this helps

The "Shootist" a great quote "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be layed a hand on, I don't do these things to others, I require the same from them" consent in action.

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When moses was given the commandments of Gods law, there were ten, by the time Jesus turned up to free us from this, there were over 600 laws people had to live under, thats without Roman law. We are meant and designed to live by consent, not law.

Wow:doh:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Wow:doh:

:sign_yeah:

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Jesus said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’

What would Jesus really do?

Forgive you :hmmm: