You're playing with semantics.
Being XO, that is second in command of a 5000 crew warship is a pretty high up position don't you think ? Now if he were in charge I don't know, of the cleaning of the toilets then maybe you'd have a point. As it is you don't.
I talked about rank or position of authority, you can't get a higher position of authority than being the executive officer abord an aircraft carrier (except for the captain of course).

Those were taken before peeps admitted that they were gay, and most were before women were allowed to serve alongside men on front line combat ships. Yes, we fantasized about women because sometimes it was months between actually seeing any, so it was a bit of a release. Sometimes you have to do weird things to keep your sanity when deployed, especially when the stress levels are high 24 hours a day for weeks at a time.

Why is the toilet scene bothersome to you ?

Have you ever seen Caddyshack ? Remember the swimming pool scene ?

Absolutely, you are right. It is all sociology. In a prolonged same-sex environment, even heterosexuals are known to temporarily take on a more homosexual role. You see it a lot in closed micro-societies, such as prisons. I imagine that many of the same principles would apply to an extended tour at sea.

You misunderstood me. I was not refering to the actual contents of the video when talking about "cleaning toilets".
I wanted to highlight the fact that being XO is a much higher position of authority, in fact second only to the captain of the vessel, than someone having to take charge of the kitchens for instance. Can we at least agree on this ?

Yes, we agree that the XO is high position of authority. I missing the reason why it was bad for the XO to try to maintain the crews morale by making a couple of videos depicting the same behavior that some of the low ranking enlisted crewmen undoubtedly portray in the crews berths while off duty.

I would know when to take the XO's (or Capt's) words seriously, why do you think the crew onboard wouldn't ? I used to party with a few officers in our squadron when we were in port (Yes, I was enlisted), and I think I gained some respect for them because I could see that they weren't much different than me other than their rank, and when time came to go back to work I didn't let our off-time influence me, and they also acted professionally. Those videos were made to entertain the crew while they were off duty. I have no doubt that Capt. Honors is a completely different person while on-duty.

Yeah, damn those spoon-fed drones for being upset at a video of some white trash US Marine clearly throwing a puppy off a cliff. Political correctness is so crazy nowadays you can't even torture or kill small pets without some limp-wrist civilian complaining about it. I mean, don't they know about the golden thread of puppy-killing that runs through the Corps' history? Yes, clearly "tradition" trumped by political correctness yet again.

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/4346...oit_puppy.html

"We train young men to drop fire on people. But their commanders won't allow them to write "****" on their airplanes because it's obscene!"

-Col. Walter E. Kurts

That nutcase was right... :hmmm:

... why is it always the insane who make the most sense... :06:

Ready, Aim, Retire: 7 Top Officers’ Epic Implosions



(rest of article at the link. Hat tip to Neptunus Lex)

Maybe someone should make a song about it, I am sure the Village People must be able to throw together a little ditty about the wonders of maritime service

Next we'll be hearing of officers being relieved for creating a hostile work environment that is inherently hostile (truly hostile, not "you hurt my feelings" hostile.)

Friggin mambe-pambe's!

Made me think of that Geico commerical with R. Lee Ermey in it ... I wonder his thoughts??? :cool:

If you look at that post of dismissals Molon put up you will notice one that was canned for creating an inherantly hostile work place.
Bad leadership skills apparently, a lot of it was only minor stuff of course, nasty words and making people feel small, even complaints about people making complaints through channels. Its funny if you look back to the topic that was here on this forum about that naval officer getting canned how many people expressed themselves in a rather differnet vein.

Officials: Probe Into Navy Videos to Include Higher-Ups
 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...de-higher-ups/

Note: Update record,Published January 06, 2011

Right. So, instead, just to be safe, go ahead and treat everyone in uniform like they tossed a puppy. That way, we make sure we get all the puppy-throwers and don't miss any. Oh, and while we're at it, we'll make sure to call them all "baby-killers," too.

Meanwhile, to my point: The US military is clearly not exclusively angels in uniform, any more than devils in uniform. But you wouldn't know that from the attention the media gives the negative stuff, while completely ignoring the positive stuff. Tradition is referring to generations of military service members doing their jobs even in the presence of aberrant behavior in their ranks. Tradition being trumped is a daily ration of rum for men willing to fight for their country - but no, we can't have that - it's promoting alcoholism in the ranks!

And here's the result: The Highway of Death. Much of the Iraqi army escaped Kuwait in the '91 war, "Highway of Death" images notwithstanding. The Iraqi army that survived suppressed the Kurds after the Coalition pulled out.

And what did the press talk about after the war? "The Highway of Death" and the destruction of fleeing Iraqis there; fine, we'll just go ahead and let them go, then. They're nice people, they only looted and pillaged the people of Kuwait who deserved it.

The military exists to do the things civilians don't want to do. It's our job to KILL. It's our job to DESTROY. It's our job to be the exact opposite of what a civilized society accepts as necessary to operate. We have civil laws that provide strict punishment for stealing from or killing each other; we want soldiers to then do the things we told them were wrong all their lives. But the media will define the entire service by the actions of a few individuals caught on tape.