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tater 11-01-10 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by krashkart (Post 1526675)
Ah yes, noticed the trend especially this past week. There are at least three per commercial break on the local channels here, one right after the other. It's crunch time for sure. Thankfully just one more night of it for the time being. :yep:

We have Direct TV (no cable in our part of the foothills), so they cannot target ads on any shows except for the local channels.

As a result I went from not seeing ANY political adds, to seeing whatever it was I saw the other day for 30 minutes. Stark contrast :)

Sailor Steve 11-01-10 06:03 PM

I get a couple of emails every day from candidates telling my why I should vote for them. Those are the ones I cross off my list first.

tater 11-01-10 06:15 PM

Spam? Wow. Don't get that, except from the ones I emailed myself, and then got spammed til I told them to remove me (a couple dems that I emailed long letters saying in effect of they voted for the dumb healthcare law I'd vote a straight R ticket for the first time ever). All I got back were form letters telling me the candidate is working for healthcare reform, etc, not addressing my specific comments regarding my wife's medical practice here in ABQ, and the direct, negative impact the dumb law would have on her practice, and quality of care (or the fact that he should have held out for a payoff to NM like some "swing votes" did—if we're gonna get it, every state could have changed their vote, then demanded a HUGE "bribe" for their state to switch back since SOME got that deal.)

I really do vote 2 (sometimes more) parties in every election. Not this one.

Gerald 11-01-10 06:52 PM

But you have voted for the time I guess

Skybird 11-01-10 07:06 PM

Der Spiegel had a longer editorial on the state of things in the US, looking at the hate-filled atmopshere, the numbers and finances, and the changes in American society and American job world. I assume these are the things that will (already have?) decided the elections.

A Superpower in Decline: Is the American Dream Over?

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The Desperate States of America are loud and distressed. The country has always been a little paranoid, but now it's also despondent, hopeless and pessimistic. Americans have always believed in the country's capacity for regeneration, that a new awakening is possible at any time. Now, 63 percent of Americans don't believe that they will be able to maintain their current standard of living.

And if America is indeed on the downward slope, it will have consequences for the global economy and the political world order.

The fall of America doesn't have to be a complete collapse -- it is, after all, a country that has managed to reinvent itself many times before. But today it's no longer certain -- or even likely -- that everything will turn out fine in the end. The United States of 2010 is dysfunctional, but in new ways. The entire interplay of taxes and investments is out of joint because a 16,000-page tax code allows for far too many loopholes and because solidarity is no longer part of the way Americans think. The political system, plagued by lobbyism and stark hatred, is incapable of reaching consistent or even quick decisions.

The country is reacting strangely irrationally to the loss of its importance -- it is a reaction characterized primarily by rage. Significant portions of America simply want to return to a supposedly idyllic past. They devote almost no effort to reflection, and they condemn cleverness and intellect as elitist and un-American, as if people who hunt bears could seriously be expected to lead a world power. Demagogues stir up hatred and rage on television stations like Fox News. These parts of America, majorities in many states, ignorant of globalization and the international labor market, can do nothing but shout. They hate everything that is new and foreign to them.

(...)

There are ultimately two kinds of crises, says the economic philosopher. There are what Seidman calls the "end-of-life crises," the wars and natural disaster, and then there are the "way-of-life crises." He says that the current crisis must serve to question and change our way of life.

Seidman recalls the America of Obama's election campaign, when everything seemed possible. "I really hope that those who hate and yell are so visible only because they are louder," he says. "We would be in serious trouble if they actually are the majority."
And this one is in German, adding a face to the fate of so many once working middle-class citizens that were confronted with the ground being moved away under their feet.

"It has never been this bad"

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"Verstehen Sie mich nicht falsch, die Lage war früher schon schlecht genug", sagt Bich Ha Pham, Direktorin des New Yorker Sozialdienstes Federation of Protestant Welfare Agencies (FPWA). "Doch diesmal kann es wirklich jeden treffen."
When I look at Wall Street and the banks,it seems to me they have not learned anything, and act as insane as before, maybe even more. Former options the US once had, are no longer available. The Fed'S only responsibility seems to be: printing more money. What all this together means, should be clear:

The next Big Bubble Burst is already being prepared.

I expect more serious crisis in the future, at higher frequency. Needless to say that again it will not be an American-only issue, but effect all the world.

I wonder what any Republican president would/could do different. He might be less enthusiastic on bailouts,. or maybe he is even more enthusiastic.

But would any of these options make a difference anymore?

It's like a wild water trip. Once the going got so tough that the canoe can't reach the shore anymore, it then needs to ride the waves and dive down the falls and dangerzones and follows the will of the river. No matter who sits inside and handles the paddle - from some point on it simply does not matter anymore. Any opposite claim - may just be an attempt to announce a messiah who soon becomes the next scapegoat.

Ducimus 11-01-10 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1526746)
Der Spiegel had a longer editorial on the state of things in the US, looking at the hate-filled atmopshere, the numbers and finances, and the changes in American society and American job world. I assume these are the things that will (already have?) decided the elections.

A Superpower in Decline: Is the American Dream Over?


Talk about a depressing read. I think i'll go slit my wrists now. :nope: I don't doubt it's analysis, but it is hard to take criticism from a foreign news source as bashing the US never seems to go out of style. That said, i personally find it well written and hard to refute or deny. Though most of my countryman will probably vehemently disagree.

The Third Man 11-01-10 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 1526781)
Talk about a depressing read. I think i'll go slit my wrists now. :nope: I don't doubt it's analysis, but it is hard to take criticism from a foreign news source as bashing the US never seems to go out of style. That said, i personally find it well written and hard to refute or deny. Though most of my countryman will probably vehemently disagree.

I disagree. The Germans have felt oppressed since 1945, so I expect it from them. The alternative is obvious from the past.

Gerald 11-01-10 08:16 PM

Media always tend to get reactions, and attention and especially in the U.S. which still dominates world opionen in different ways, and in many other countries also to be pessemistisk or ironic in nobody's interest, and most aware citizens know this there is no news that must "shout out", so my conclusion is to believe in yourself and think long term, but that neither moralizing and complicate things unnecessarily, just wasted energy.

Ducimus 11-01-10 08:22 PM

An attempt at a multi topic response in one link.

RE Attack ads, and our failing economy, ( or one reason why i think that article is probably on target.)

I heard this while driving to work today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2lDIHyqo7Q

Considering my job has been in jeopardy for awhile now, that ad i think, really worked on me. Which is a first. Normally they don't. I guess it just hit the right nerve, cause i hate outsourcing.

Gerald 11-01-10 08:33 PM

WTF, no brains laughs safe all the way to the bank, :huh:

Ducimus 11-01-10 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor (Post 1526816)
WTF, no brains laughs safe all the way to the bank, :huh:


Come again?

The Third Man 11-01-10 08:38 PM

The only poll which counts is imminent.

Ducimus 11-01-10 08:40 PM

Yeah, i'm sure the country will improve immediately. :har:

Gerald 11-01-10 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 1526820)
Come again?

I felt that she was only interested in their own "house" and not the workers, the video should be interpreted correctly,right?

tater 11-01-10 09:16 PM

That der spiegel thing falls into the common trap of exaggerating the magnitude of modern events. The current election cycle is no more hate filled or divisive than any other in American history. It could only be written by someone who hasn't actually looked into the history of the actual process, and not just the results.

The Washington administration was filled with backbiting, hatred, etc. The Adams/Jefferson cycles was horrific. Look into any of the old elections, and you see more of the same. Some is astonishingly dirty.

There is that youtube of fake attack ads that use REAL editorials written in favor of (or against) candidates 200 years ago. It's real. Elections in the past had political machines with goons (the famous democratic machines of the early-middle part of the last century). People were pretty well dictated to, and fraud and intimidation were SOP.

Look at the morons who said Gitmo was a gulag, or that Bush was the most repressive Pres ever (which is a joke, all 8 years probably didn't curtail the the total magnitude of lost civil rights during a typical month of the FDR Admin during WW2).

The notion that things are worse politically is so much rubbish.


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