They aren't asking for bugs or fixes. They've given up. No one is working on fixes, no one will be working on fixes. It's a black hole.

They have officially stated that it's up to modders to improve the game and the only feedback they are looking for now is an up-to-date list of mods to keep the ComDev busy. Silent Hunter is dead.

:yep: Correct. It was written in that thread that modders should do it. Have a nice day and thanks for your hard earned $$$$ on this game. Sweet UBI...just sweet.....:down:

So to summarize...

The only person that may actually have a clue about what is going on states that the appointment of a new community manager is not a random occurance but rather of some significance, and then proceeds to give people clear direction on how to possibly take advantage of this and the result is a mixture of cynicism, derision and "I already did that... it's too much trouble to do it again... Let someone else do it" ?

Some people around here should stop looking down their noses at the Ubisoft forums. From where I sit, right now there ain't a lot of difference.

Sadly, that wasn't always the case.

JCC

John,

SH5 does not have and can not have a development team. Noted above... With exception of DRM SH5 is apparently not supported by other entites within the UBI organization. I read nothing more into that thread than modders fix it and there is no team making a patch. Does it really pain UBI to just say a patch is coming? If so why? Because there is no support right now and may never be? That is my guess. Really, just say yes to a patch and keep the release date to whenever ready. Not to difficult.

In the life of a studio it happens many times that a team gets reassigned to help a project in need. There's nothing spectacular about it.

Indeed right now there's no team working on SH5. It doesn't matter, tomorrow it could start again - if the decision makers say so.

All we can do is influence the decision makers. Although I must admit I'm no longer the energetic person I was post SH3/4 - had one hell of a last year to be honest - its about the same situation.

Don't we all remember how hard it was to get the last patches for the previous games?

And guys...Iron Budokan ... I knew much of the bad stuff before it hit the market. But I'm just a voice. I'm not asking you to tell me. The ComDev is there to listen but he is of course new and doesn't know much. Through him, you can have more than one voice around here.

I see where SH5 does not have a development team. I don't see where it says it can't have a development team.

As far as what is or is not in the thread goes everything stated there (and here) is uninformed speculation... nothing more. The only fact we have is that Ubisoft has seen fit to have a "Community Manager" present in the forums.

My point was that the only person who actually knows what he is taking about provided some (I thought) pretty good suggestions and most of the the responses here were, shall we say, less than generous. I actually thought that, for the sake of enlightened self-interest if nothing else, people would have taken advantage of this opportunity. Clearly I was wrong.

I get that it is much more fun to bitch and moan and pound out snide remarks, but with the same number of keystrokes, they may have been able to accomplish something positive.

Oh well...

JCC

And none of this is worth compromising your health over, Dan. We only need to look at Dave (LEO VAMPIRE) to realize how short life can be. My last communication with him was asking him to stop working to improve his wonderful mod, to put his Laptop down and rest after his recent trip to the hospital. Within a few days of that e-mail he was no longer with us.

Your commitment to the Silent Hunter franchise and this Forum is a matter of record. Stay healthy and happy. :yep:

I have to agree. The fact that the team is off working on other stuff obviously means they're not working on another SH5 patch. The implications of that are equally obvious.

Striking while the iron is hot (ie, investing in a product only when there is a reasonable chance of a return on investment) is a pretty straight forward business concept. Unfortunately, this iron has gone stone cold.

It seems SH5 is finished as far as UBI is concerned.

IMO, the thing to do then would be to just forget about getting any more help from UBI and either move on (or back) to other games... or jump into the mod action. The question I have is, can all that's seriously wrong with this game be fixed with mods? If too many (and one may be too many) of the really significant short comings are not accessible to modders, then it may not be worth the effort.

I'd really like to know the answer to that one.

JD

And this is all we need to hear. What makes me sad is the fact we have to fight to correct a game. So specifically, what do you recommend in getting our voice heard?

Yup, for now its game over - mods or nothing.
Really this offcial answer is like no answer at all, as not a 'yes' or a 'no' but a 'maybe'.
So we are not much better off.

IMHO The only SH5 patch we will likley see is a no-DRM patch at some point when sales dry up and they wish to re-allocate their server resources to newer products.
Probably won't happen this year though.
I guess a paid expansion is not an impossibility but that depends on SH5's sales.

@ AVG: As to gettting our voices heard, Im not sure there is much point, our voices are really too small for them to really care that much.
Were talking about Silent Hunter, not Assasins Creed, Far Cry or A 'Tom Clancy's - insert title'.

There is an inherent problem here John, we have to constantly take advantage of an opportunity. This happened in SH4 and now SH5. Does this make sense to anyone? A product is purchased in an unfinished state. The product is loaded with bugs. The product seems to have lost support by UBI. Customer has to take advantage of a community manager possibly becoming a voice in getting SH5 fixed. :hmmm: Why is it up to the community to accomplish something positive? Why is a community manager beating around the bush? Why not come out and say collect your concerns so I may present them to those that can hit the big switch for getting issues with SH5 corrected? Why must the concerns be collected again for that matter?

I really do not understand why the customer must pander to UBI for a fix.

Oh, to be sure, the community manager said SH5 can not get a development team.

I will let it rest. Such a shame because graphically SH5 is the best I have witnessed in any game. So I play in the unmodded state and enjoy it as best I can.

Sure.

And I don't understand why, when I pull my car over on a totally deserted highway in the middle of the night to get out and take a leek, I am suddenly confronted by hundreds of cars, all with their "brights" on and half of them full of 10 year old girl scouts.

I also don't understand why every friggin' time I drop the toast it falls butter side down, AND manages to find the dirtiest part of the floor to land on.

Of course the answer is.... cuz that's just the way it is.

What separates the men from the boys is how you respond to the situation.

JCC

Thats the problem..it does'nt have be just the way it is. :03:

Well, if you have an alternative that Ubisoft is going to buy into, I'm all ears. Until then, my point stands.

Actually I don't even know why I am engaging in any of this. With Reaper7's new interface (with working Stadimeter), a collection of mods that improve the graphics and crew commands/management/morale issues, and the option to use TDW's AI mod for the latter years of the war, for me this sim is pretty well there.

Plus, Nigeis' Radar/TDC Mod for Sh4 ROCKS!!!

I got more sub-sims than time right now. :woot:

JCC