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captainprid 04-23-10 04:02 PM

While I understand there are two points of view here, both of which are polarised and quite clearly without reconciliation. I really object to be told what to think. The points of view which think that the image is just part of a game and does not in anyway incite people to the rallying cry of fascism have been measured and have just clearly stated their opinion. Whereas, the "anti-screenshot" opinions seem to be quite condescending; although they make their point eloquently and quite persuasively, they seem to seek to prove others wrong rather than make their point of view and let others decide.

I have never lived under a totalitarian regime, thankfully, I have lived a free life. But the only reason I have been able to do that is because both of my Grandfathers were killed fighting for that right. One died on the Burma railway, the other was a Czech pilot. Both died to give me the right to form my own opinion. I also have an honours degree in history so I find it a little irritating that people think my opinion is one of ignorance

RocketDog 04-23-10 04:05 PM

Opinions will vary, but I think Ducimus is 100% right on this one. It's another "what were they thinking" moment. The problem is that it's presenting a heroic image of Nazi Germany without any context. It's either profoundly stupid or profoundly sly. I suspect they were just stupid.

Cheers,

RD.

Thunder 04-23-10 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by IanC (Post 1371314)
Please stop talking down to people who don't agree with you, thinking they don't understand. We all understand that the game image looks just like propaganda posters of the day. It's suppose to look like one.

Now the only question is: Is Ubisoft promoting Nazims by depicting a 40's German propaganda poster in a sim where you play a 40's German U-boat captain?

I say of course not. Anybody who makes that leap between fiction and reality needs to get his head checked. Video games is the least of his problems.
I agree with a previous poster, this is getting more than ridiculous.


:up:+1

captainprid 04-23-10 04:10 PM

How can it be without context?? The very next screen shows a sub dead and broken on the sea bed?? I can't think of a better context

Ducimus 04-23-10 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by IanC (Post 1371314)
Anybody who makes that leap between fiction and reality needs to get his head checked.

I would say the same of the quite a number of people that are so enamored with a fictional romance, that myth is accepted as fact, and anything that even remotely tarnish's the fantasy is outright rejected.

kylania 04-23-10 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RocketDog (Post 1371350)
Opinions will vary, but I think Ducimus is 100% right on this one. It's another "what were they thinking" moment. The problem is that it's presenting a heroic image of Nazi Germany without any context. It's either profoundly stupid or profoundly sly. I suspect they were just stupid.

Why do you feel it's without any context? The picture is the "victory" splash scene of a WWII U-boat simulation game. You only see it if you "win the game". It's entirely in context within that situation.

Jimbuna 04-23-10 04:39 PM

I'm starting to get the urge to look for my popcorn stash FFS!!!!!! :nope:

Ducimus 04-23-10 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1371399)
I'm starting to get the urge to look for my popcorn stash FFS!!!!!! :nope:

I'm done arguing. The more i talk about this subject, the more pissed off i get. A few people can understand why that one end game pic is way out of line . Others can't. Whatever, in the end, this place is still fantasy land.

captainprid 04-23-10 04:59 PM

You have your own opinion. It DOES NOT make it right and I fully understand your point of view and I fully understand mine and many others but understanding and agreeing are two very different things.

Why is your opinion more valid than mine and why because it is your opinion does it make it correct??

Nisgeis 04-23-10 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LeBabouin (Post 1371327)
This picture is far from any nazi propaganda or glorification. Germany has lost both WW's, even those of the 19th century, so I can't see how it could be glorified. This picture is just a poor cartoonesque imitation of the propaganda style shown in Ducimus last post. It has no text, no soul, a bad composition, ugly colours, and is far from Leny Riefensthal's work. Kylania's replacement picture is good but reminds me more of a trawler arriving at port after a fishing campain.

To the layman it looks fairly close to the original in terms of style, colour and composition, but the Nazi propoganda posters don't look that familiar to me, so I woudn't notice the smaller details. There are differences on the eagle, but it's pretty similar.

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Originally Posted by LeBabouin (Post 1371327)
The videos of the old proud U-Boot captains are much more indecent. Plus I think those who focus on the nazi carnage should have a look on what's happening everywhere nowaday.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the videos being more indecent?

Jankowski 04-23-10 08:08 PM

FFS it is a flag!

but of course you are going to say: but it symbolises evil!

and i will say: would htlers reigiem have been evil had there been no killing?? did the u-boat arm do any killing of jews?? why is it called a holocaust if there are millions of survivors? why did originally nazis hate jews? why is israel the most evil country (apart from US) in the world right now?

im just saying the jews arnt as innocent as you think they are. look what israel does.

and anyone bagging out the soviet union SHUT THE **** UP! america is 10 times worse then it? what country formed the taliban? what country invades 3rd world countrys to steal thier oil? just go and think a bit before you start saying the soviet union was evil. what happened to the soviet union during the war is over. america was just jealous of how good the soviet union was, and then traitors came.

what country has the most population of hobos and unemployed people?

so you americans who think your country is the best, go look at the facts first. germany fought for thier country, and that is now considered bad. in a hundred years when china invades, america will be known as a very evil country. the stars and stripes will become a prohibited symbol, just like the hieken kruez is now.

mobucks 04-23-10 09:37 PM

hahaha the stars and stripes replacing the swastica damn it feels good to be an american!

in a hundred years when china invades? in a hundred years america will be the only country left! we need all that oil to steamroll the rest of the world!


PS: this thread makes me wonder why the history (blatant propaganda channel) channel always has Nazi shows on. I alternate between refering to it as the propaganda channel or the hitler channel nowadays.

robbo180265 04-23-10 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by robbo180265 (Post 1370899)
I'm sorry - you may see it as Nazi Glorification, I don't. All I see is an ending screen in a game. I see a U Boat , 3 flags and an eagle. It does not make me want to join a neo nazi party - nor does it make me want to persecute minorities. If it offends you then mod it out using Kylania's mod. But don't presume to tell me how it affects me.

THIS^^^

Subnuts 04-23-10 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jankowski (Post 1371609)
and i will say: would htlers reigiem have been evil had there been no killing??

Well, he would have just squashed everyone's freedom and reduced everyone in Germany brainwashed pawns, and everyone who wasn't Aryan would have been reduced to second-class citizens, but besides that, I guess the Nazis would have been hunky-dory.

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did the u-boat arm do any killing of jews??
Of course not. German torpedoes used only the most potent Gentile-killing explosives.

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why is it called a holocaust if there are millions of survivors?
Why did the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre called a "massacre" when less than one percent of the campus's population was actually killed?

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why did originally nazis hate jews?
I don't know...because they were racist ****bags?

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why is israel the most evil country (apart from US) in the world right now?
Yeah, I don't like the way the Israels and Americans gun down unarmed protestors in the streets, send entire families into Gulags, lash women to death in public for the crime of being raped, and starve to death political dissidents.

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im just saying the jews arnt as innocent as you think they are. look what israel does.
Yeah. Just look at it. CAN'T YOU SEE?
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and anyone bagging out the soviet union SHUT THE **** UP!
Every single one of those 60 million Russians who died under Joseph Stalin had it coming. Who needs an officer corp, anyway?

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america is 10 times worse then it?
100 times worse. A million times worse.

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what country invades 3rd world countrys to steal thier oil?
Like when Nazi Germany invaded the Ukraine in 1942, or Japan in the first months of the Pacific War?

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america was just jealous of how good the soviet union was, and then traitors came.
We were especially jealous of their paranoid police state, crumbling infrastructure, and the fact that they couldn't feed themselves despite 1/5th of their population being involved in agriculture.

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what country has the most population of hobos and unemployed people?
Certainly not China!

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germany fought for thier country, and that is now considered bad.
Yes, killing 12 million people for their race, religious beliefs, political affiliation, or disabilities is considered "bad" in this politically correct modern world. Invading other nations without provocation is "bad."

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in a hundred years when china invades, america will be known as a very evil country. the stars and stripes will become a prohibited symbol, just like the hieken kruez is now.
And our new Chinese textbooks will include chapters on their heroic struggle against Tibetan oppression, the kindly leadership of Chairman Mao, and thought-provoking essays on the evils of democracy, right?

robbo180265 04-23-10 11:33 PM

Perhaps this will help (shamelessly stolen from Father Ted)

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...65/reality.gif


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