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Oberon 02-23-10 03:55 PM

From a basic standpoint I can't really argue with you on that, however I think we'd just swap one set of fat-cats for another and thus your argument is fatally flawed.
In the 2008 top ten rich list of the United Kingdom, only one member was a member of the upper class that you describe, and that was the Duke of Westminster. Other rich people included Roman Abramovich, and a gentleman called Lakshmi Mittal, ironically a steel magnate.
In 2009 it would seem that the same kind of people dominate, with our good friend Lakshmi Mittal at the top again. Mr Mittal, was born into his family's steel-making business in India and was born in Sadulpur village in India.
Not exactly inherited wealth although his family owning a steel industry no doubt helped, but this is hardly a Indian or English phenomenon.
As such, you will find that the richest people in the United Kingdom are not those who are born into riches, but those who have worked the market one way or the other to get their riches, although it cannot be denied that a fair few of them were not exactly born into poverty. This is not exactly inherited wealth in the terms that you mean it, however.
As such, although I cannot deny that there is a rich-poor divide in the United Kingdom, I do not think that it is for the reasons that you think although it is often how it is perceived by people.
Most, if not all, nations have a rich/poor divide, however in some nations it is larger than others, naturally these nations are rich nations, as so there is more money it is inevitable that some will have more than others. So it has been, so it shall always be, from the Egyptian empire to the British empire. Again, it is another unfairness in an unfair world. I would certainly like to be as rich as Mr Mittal, however I have no way of becoming so short of winning the Lotto and with the odds stacked against me, it is more likely that I will spend more money buying lottery tickets than I would ever win in my lifetime, however with all unfair scenarios there is the strange human emotion called 'hope', 'hope' that things will improve, 'hope' that I will win a couple of million pounds on the Lotto, but also, for those in that strange inbetween void between rich and completely bankrupt, gratitude that we are not as poor as some, but hope that we will be richer than others.

OneToughHerring 02-23-10 04:16 PM

Well the top 10 would be the 'super rich', I'm talking more about the 11 - 5000 most rich, or even 11 - 10 000. Quite a few of these are of 'noble birth' or have inherited wealth.

I remember hearing that a member of the house of lords can just go and sign his/her name into a book at the house of lords and they get 100 quid for it. They don't have to take part in any sessions, don't have to stay there to do anything, just sign the name and that's it. Although we have inherited wealth in Finland too I wouldn't say it's as quite as should I say blatant as in UK.

And to segway this to the original topic, I hope there won't be war but I'm pretty sure the're will be this kind of festering of bad feelings especially from the Argentinians now with this drilling thing in full swing.

Oberon 02-23-10 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1278320)

And to segway this to the original topic, I hope there won't be war but I'm pretty sure the're will be this kind of festering bad feelings especially from the Argentinians now with this drilling thing in full swing.

That, is something we can agree on OTH. :yep:

August 02-23-10 04:18 PM

The feelings of Argentina are about as relevant as those of Finland in this matter.

Oberon 02-23-10 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1278326)
The feelings of Argentina are about as relevant as those of Finland in this matter.

As are the feelings of any of us. We're just the people after all. ;)

XabbaRus 02-23-10 05:13 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8529969.stm

It's comedy time.

Oberon 02-23-10 05:22 PM

Well...there's only one way Her Majesty's Armed forces can reply to that speech by Mr Chavez.

Yes...we're going to have to go all out...and deploy:

http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/7588/...l_facepalm.jpg

Onkel Neal 02-23-10 05:33 PM

I get one more bad post report from a troll about other trolls, I will ban the bunch of ya :arrgh!:

Make your points with respect, and stop banging on the BPR button, unless you are very sure you are not trolling, too.

Oberon 02-23-10 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1278446)
I get one more bad post report from a troll about other trolls, I will ban the bunch of ya :arrgh!:

Make your points with respect, and stop banging on the BPR button, unless you are very sure you are not trolling, too.

Can I report Chavez for trolling? :hmmm:

Onkel Neal 02-23-10 05:54 PM

Yes, but the Subsim Hit Team in on furlough, so any punitive action will have to wait.

nikimcbee 02-23-10 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1278469)
Yes, but the Subsim Hit Team in on furlough, so any punitive action will have to wait.

I've got my crab trap. Maybe if I put some rotten chicken in it and throw it in this thread, I'll catch you a troll, but it won't come cheap. My fee: 1 large bowl of Neal's mom's banana pudding.:yeah::haha:

Jimbuna 02-25-10 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee (Post 1278475)
I've got my crab trap. Maybe if I put some rotten chicken in it and throw it in this thread, I'll catch you a troll, but it won't come cheap. My fee: 1 large bowl of Neal's mom's banana pudding.:yeah::haha:

Jeebus :o I'm away for three days in Manchester and it looks like I've missed the second Falklands conflict :DL

Let the diplomats sort it.

Argentina, Chavez et al have one alternative....put up or shut up!

@Jason

That is one excellent choice mate...that particular dish is still in the forefront of my memory banks :rock:

krashkart 02-25-10 07:53 AM

UK, you know better than not to wage war. Argentina, please stop picking on our Allies. That oil is rightfully ours.... erm... dammit! :damn:
I mean that island belongs to Britain. *wink wink* :smug:

Sorry guys, I couldn't resist. I'll throw myself out of your thread now. :D


*trudge trudge trudge*

Hakahura 02-25-10 07:35 PM

Well looks like someone somewhere has decided to crank things up to the next level.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/7313...sh-waters.html

Let's hope for an outbreak of common sense in Buenos Aries.
Innocent navigational blunder my arse.

Oberon 02-25-10 07:48 PM

Wait a minute:

Quote:

“We can confirm that on 28 January this year during rough weather and at night, HMS YORK and an Argentine ship were operating in the same locality in international waters around 50 miles from Falkland Island Territorial Waters. After a friendly dialogue by radio they each continued with their own exercises.”
:damn: Headlines make it sound like a recent attempt instead of being nearly a month old.

It's nothing new though, we did similar things to the Soviets all the time back in the day and they did it to us. How many times after all did US carrier groups have to shoo away snooping AGI trawlers?
Still, it's not going to help tensions, even if it is a month old the newspapers are going to hype it up like there's no tomorrow. :damn: And that will make the public more jumpy and more hostile and generally sour the milk.
Bah, bloody media. :damn:


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