What is the point?
That homosexuality is wrong because bronze age myth says so? Or was it because people unconfortable with their sexuality say so? Or because people afraid of those different to themselves say so? Or is it wrong because they cant reproduce cant reproduce, because if some low precentage of humanity are in relationships where they can not reproduce it will surely be the end of us all, humans being a greatly endangered species and all that?

Or were you saying that people who are not biggoted towards homosexuals are insane?

It is growing and it is telling our children that it is OK, and yes, they are reproducing through medical advances, so don't kid yourself there.

I feel like the last person on the planet practically that cares for the health of ones nation. It has been proven more times than people can count that strong heterosexual families are required for the strength of ones nation and for advancement as a society. We seem to be going backwards

For clues to where this leads, go study up on the Roman Empire. History has much to teach us.

-S

Good point. I looked it up, and the list of countries that enforce laws against homosexuality tend to be those that are "stuck in the dark ages". Surprisingly enough. I guess anywhere you go, religious fundamentalism is alive well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosex...s_of_the_world

PD

Perhaps I am a little slow or perhaps I am a little too pragmatic.

Thats more changeing the subject than twisting facts. no?

I agree with you that heterosexual families are the building block of most societies that work. But letting gays marry, have the same legal rights/privileges, and raise a family if they so choose is NOT the same as a drunken Roman orgy. I don't think they could screw up children any more than the divorce rate in this country already does.

PD

Maybe we should say, twisting the subject, twisting the discussion, or maybe thread hijacking. Does that make you happy? Basically, it is not what we are talking about.

As i said though, since you seem to agree with him, so start a new thread on India. Continue what interests you there.

-S

Yes, history does have a lot to teach us. It shows us that empires rise and fall and where institusionalized intolerance leads, to name just two.

I go by live and let live myself, so if two men or women are happy together, who am I to stop them? Leaving them be is not going to destroy heterosexual lifestyles.

Edit: The post about nations from me was due to the fact that Tchoky mentioned countries.

I beg to differ! This is even worse for them! Might as well advocate marriage of humans and goats! :D There is no difference from a reproductive standpoint!

The point is, we need to get back what is healthy for us as a people so that we can stop the slide and back to growth. Probably a pipe dream since as they say, for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. We have a world these days of good men doing nothing.

-S

Its the strength of the people and the health, especially mentally, of the people that I worry about.

Well, i apologize then since I thought it started with you.

-S

Homosexuality braught down the Roman empire?! :doh:
The Romans banned homosexuality in the 5th centuary at the end of the empire!

There is also almost no evidence that homosexuality, in the modern sense, was at all
common in the Roman empire. Few, if any had sexual relations or attraction solely to
members of their own sex or long-term, commited relations with their own sex.

Sexual desire may have been governgoverned mmore by social roles than gender, but
the same did not apply for what was considerd 'family'.

The Romans where very much against Lesbianism.

There is no difference from a reproductive standpoint between marrying goats and a woman marrying a sterile man.

I don't look at this from a reproductive standpoint. There is no threat of human extinction from lack of population, but from overpopulation.

And these aren't goats, these are people. And we tend to let people do what they want in this country, within reason. Pursuit of happiness and all that. Gays are apparently "safe and normal" enough to risk their lives in the service of this country, but not have the same rights the rest of us do?

PD

Me too SUBMAN, me too.

PD

Both after the realized what it did to them and after they switched to Christianity. But of course, you failed to mention both of these.

Wrong - started with the Spartans, ended with the Romans.

Of course, it was a society about men. Women were simply women.

But this is what you are calling for. Soon we will have something along the lines of "Hi, I am Letum, and here is my wife... er.. I mean goat! :D Way better than a wife because she hardly talks back! We've been married for 2 years!"

Hahahahaha!

-S

Source?

Homosexual acts where the norm in the Roman empire, but they allways involved men
from contrasting social groups and/or ages and never formed long term family units.
They where allways seen as an addition, rather than an alternative to hetrosexual
relationships. There where no homosexual marriages in the Roman empire.

Try taking a history class. You need it.

-S

PS. You like Wikipedia. I looked it up special for you on it! :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosex...ancient_Greece