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TDK1044 05-05-08 10:16 AM

Now that's funny!!! And not too far off the truth! :D

NEON DEON 05-06-08 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Von Tonner
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Originally Posted by NEON DEON
I find it a bit odd people claiming Obama closed the gap in PA when behind in the polls by more than 20 points

I get various accounts when this took place

2 weeks before and 8 weeks before seem to be the preference among the two people who supplied that info

According to RCP:

In the 8th week before the PA election the polls showed 9 point avg difference.

2 weeks before the elections the poll average was 7 points

And the last recorded Pa avg was 6.1 %

So Obama outspent Clinton 2 to 1 and went nowhere in the process.

Clinton won by 9.28 %

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...imary-240.html

I also find curious that people claim objectivity when supplying this info.

A poll conducted 11th through to the 13th April by the American Research Group showed Hillary leading Obama by 20 points in PA.


Oh ok then

A poll conducted in the same week showed Clinton ahead by 3%. So using your own reasoning then I will say this.

Two weeks before the PA primary Clinton was only up by 3% according to a Los Angeles Times Poll but Clinton won PA by 9% thus she increased her lead 3 times despite being outspent by Obama 2 to 1.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

:p :p :p

NEON DEON 05-06-08 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044
As I said earlier, NEON, I just wish the SDs would end this nonsense. Everything about these candidates is known. With every day that passes, McCain's chances in November improve.

Well SDs are moving. I just would like to see some more coverage when it happens.

Everyone has heard the Clinton SD jumping ship this past week.

But has everyone seen these 6 in the last week?

SD endorsements for Clinton since 4/29/08

5/5 Democrats abroad SD Theresa Morelli

5/3 Maryland SD Kathleen Kennedy Townsend

5/2 Texas SD and DNC member Jaime A. Gonzalez Jr.

4/30 Pennsylvania SD Bill George the President of the AFL-CIO

4/30 Puerto Rico SD and Democratic Committee Vice Chair Luisette Cabañas

4/29 North Carolina SD and Governor Mike Easley

Von Tonner 05-06-08 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by NEON DEON
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Originally Posted by TDK1044
As I said earlier, NEON, I just wish the SDs would end this nonsense. Everything about these candidates is known. With every day that passes, McCain's chances in November improve.

Well SDs are moving. I just would like to see some more coverage when it happens.

Everyone has heard the Clinton SD jumping ship this past week.

But has everyone seen these 6 in the last week?

SD endorsements for Clinton since 4/29/08

5/5 Democrats abroad SD Theresa Morelli

5/3 Maryland SD Kathleen Kennedy Townsend

5/2 Texas SD and DNC member Jaime A. Gonzalez Jr.

4/30 Pennsylvania SD Bill George the President of the AFL-CIO

4/30 Puerto Rico SD and Democratic Committee Vice Chair Luisette Cabañas

4/29 North Carolina SD and Governor Mike Easley

Compare it to a horse race Neon. The commentators tell you how the horse up front is doing - not the one at the back. When Clinton gets more SD endorsements in a week than OB does, then maybe the MSM will give coverage.

*** The weekend in delegates: Obama picked up four superdelegates over the weekend, to Clinton’s net of zero. Obama got the backing of New Mexico Democratic Party Chairman Brian Colon and three add-on superdelegates -- former Maryland Gov. Parris Glendening, former South Carolina Education Superintendent Inez Tenenbaum and Guam add-on Jamie Paulino (after Obama won the Pacific island territory by seven votes). Paulino beat out Clinton backer Cecilia Mafnas, who was previously the vice chair and counted into our superdelegate count. Evening things out, Clinton picked up the other Maryland add-on: former Lt. Gov. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend. Obama is also expected to pick up the three Illinois add-on superdelegates today around 2:00 pm after the Illinois Democratic Party’s committee meets to officially name the trio. (Note: The Obama campaign announced Kalyn Free of Oklahoma as another super, but we’d already had her on the list as an Obama supporter.) The Delegate Counts: SUPERDELEGATES: Clinton 273-254; PLEDGED: Obama 1,492-1,338; OVERALL: Obama 1,746-1,611. There are 268 undeclared superdelegates. Since the Pennsylvania primary: It's Obama +17, Clinton +11; Since Super Tuesday, Feb. 5: It's Obama +84, Clinton +13; Since Junior Super Tuesday, March 4: It's Obama +41, Clinton +20.

TDK1044 05-06-08 06:18 AM

The New York Times has a Delegate Calculator. If the percentages for the remaining States fall in line with the percentage results so far, then the NYT states that Hillary will need 78 percent of the remaining Super Delegates to win.

Now, realistically, she will do well in Indiana, and she will have success getting the Florida and Michigan Delegates seated. This will certainly help her, but it's not nearly enough.

The very best case scenario for her with the remaining States will leave her needing about 70 percent of the remaining SDs in my view.

TDK1044 05-07-08 06:40 AM

He nearly beat her in Indiana ( 51/49)and he beat the pants off her in NC. It's over. Over the coming weeks, you're going to see SD after SD lining up behind Obama. Hillary will push as hard as possible for the Florida and Michigan votes to be counted, but even if she got her way there, which she won't, it still wouldn't be enough.

I wonder how long it will take her to put her party before her ego? I notice that she was begging for money again in her 'victory' speech. Pitiful!

Von Tonner 05-07-08 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044
He nearly beat her in Indiana ( 51/49)and he beat the pants off her in NC. It's over. Over the coming weeks, you're going to see SD after SD lining up behind Obama. Hillary will push as hard as possible for the Florida and Michigan votes to be counted, but even if she got her way there, which she won't, it still wouldn't be enough.

I wonder how long it will take her to put her party before her ego? I notice that she was begging for money again in her 'victory' speech. Pitiful!

It actually reads better when you make the win of hers in Indiana more precise TDK1044: 50.9 Hillary, 49.1 Obama. It was a squeek. Notice she has already loaned her campaign another 6 million odd. This win and squeek by Obama now makes Florida and Michigan irrelevant. The results today also totally undermine her arguments that he cannot win big/swing states; that he has not got the fight to go against McCain - Obama has this last few weeks been to hell and back with Wright, bitter remark, but still comes back and knocks the crap out of her. Can't wait to see what Carville says about this. Oh, and lets not forget her other argument, the popular vote. Again, give her the votes in Florida and Michigan and he still wipes her clock. She is on life support. She has cancelled all morning show appointments and is meeting with SD. I predict that SD are going to come over to OB to give him his nomination total by not later than mid next week. Good on you OB:D

TDK1044 05-07-08 10:41 AM

Yeah. The faster the SDs line up behind Obama, the faster this will be over. Dragging this on until June is a total waste of time.

NEON DEON 05-07-08 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044
Yeah. The faster the SDs line up behind Obama, the faster this will be over. Dragging this on until June is a total waste of time.

You want it to be over now. Now is what you want. You dont want it to get to West Virginia, KY and Puerto Rico. Obama's best chance to end it early has a one week time frame to it.

TDK1044 05-08-08 05:59 AM

She'll win KY, WV and PR, and in doing so she'll gain about as many delegates as he just won in North Carolina....maybe a few more because of Puerto Rico. He currently has a lead of 159 delegates and he'll take the other remaining States negating most of the gains she makes.

The fact of the matter is that many senior Democrats are just waiting for Hillary to do the honorable thing, but because there is nothing at all honorable about Hillary, she'll continue to put her ego before the needs of her party until they get to the point where they force her out of the race.

Michigan has now asked the DNC to sit 59 Delegates for Hillary and 59 for Obama, so she gets nothing there. She'll get a small bump when they seat the Florida Delegates and then it will be over.

NEON DEON 05-08-08 11:29 PM

Clinton turned down the Michigan proposal which was 69 Clinton 59 Obama.

Clinton said it should be 73/55 and Obama says it should be 64/64.

In looking at the rest of the states, there is not enough African Americans in Oregon for Obama to win there. 2% of registered voters are African American.

In a race in the region earlier this year Obama won Washington by caucus 68% to 31%. In the non binding Primary, Obama won by gettin 51.14%.

Washington also has 3% African Americans plus 9% hispanic. vs. Oregons 2% African Americans and 10% hispanics. The election was held before Wright.

So after Kentucky and Oregon go Clinton's way it will be interesting to see if Obama will declare himself the winner.

BTW: Clinton will win the popular vote because there are no more black voters in the rest of the states and territories and no more caucases.

West Virginia 3%
Kentucky 2 %
Oregon 2 %
Montana less than 1 %
South Dakota 1 %
Puerto Rico 8%*

*Puerto Rico number is a % of entire population

It may not be PC but it is what is.

Platapus 05-09-08 05:49 AM

"In looking at the rest of the states, there is not enough African Americans in Oregon for Obama to win there. 2% of registered voters are African American."

"Clinton will win the popular vote because there are no more black voters in the rest of the states and territories and no more caucases."

What a disturbingly racist statement to make.

Tchocky 05-09-08 05:57 AM

Platapus, it's ok to make statements like that about minorities!

It's when people like that evil Wright fellow start picking on majorities that we become outraged :p

TDK1044 05-09-08 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by NEON DEON
Clinton turned down the Michigan proposal which was 69 Clinton 59 Obama.

Clinton said it should be 73/55 and Obama says it should be 64/64.

In looking at the rest of the states, there is not enough African Americans in Oregon for Obama to win there. 2% of registered voters are African American.

In a race in the region earlier this year Obama won Washington by caucus 68% to 31%. In the non binding Primary, Obama won by gettin 51.14%.

Washington also has 3% African Americans plus 9% hispanic. vs. Oregons 2% African Americans and 10% hispanics. The election was held before Wright.

So after Kentucky and Oregon go Clinton's way it will be interesting to see if Obama will declare himself the winner.

BTW: Clinton will win the popular vote because there are no more black voters in the rest of the states and territories and no more caucases.

West Virginia 3%
Kentucky 2 %
Oregon 2 %
Montana less than 1 %
South Dakota 1 %
Puerto Rico 8%*

*Puerto Rico number is a % of entire population

It may not be PC but it is what is.


Continue to live in your own fictitious world if you wish. The rest of the Country, including Congress and the Senate, knows who the Democratic nominee is. The SDs are being courteous to Clinton by waiting until June 3 before the flood of support for Obama occurs.

Hillary's becoming more of a sad joke with each day that passes. Let her have her meaningless victories during the mopping up process if it helps her save face.

The real math goes like this:

There are only six contests remaining on the Democratic primary calendar and only 217 pledged delegates left to be awarded. Only 7% of the pledged delegates remain on the table. There are 253 remaining undeclared superdelegates, for a total of 470 delegates left to be awarded.
With North Carolina and Indiana complete, Barack Obama only needs 169 total delegates to capture the Democratic nomination. This is only 36% of the total remaining delegates.
Conversely, Senator Clinton needs 326 delegates to reach the Democratic nomination, which represents 69% of the remaining delegates.

mookiemookie 05-09-08 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky
Platapus, it's ok to make statements like that about minorities!

It's when people like that evil Wright fellow start picking on majorities that we become outraged :p

For further proof of your rule about it being ok to pick on minorities, see Pastors Hagee, Robertson and Parsley. All McCain supporters, too.


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