Precisely :yep:

How the control is maintained is key to it's effectiveness and success.

Our goverment is pressured by the EU, the "federal goverment" of Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Finland

"mass public gun ownership" isnt a threat to anything if these are normal citizens, its BS to say so. It has worked fine here for 90+ years, we dont need anyone saying otherwise.

The EU are exerting similar pressures 'little by little' on the British, and the government are unwilling to give us the referendum they once promised in case the population rebels :nope:

You are very amusing - sort of like listening to a man with blinders on. :D Always Predictable, always brainwashed, always simply Tchocky. I can predict your answers in almost every sense, but I still find it amusing that you still post what I know your going to post! :rotfl: Sort of like a Troll on certain subjects, never willing to ask questions or see both sides of the fence.

Let me ask you - how do you say this, yet your criminals can buy a fully automatic AK-47 in downtown London FOR CHEAPER THAN I CAN here in the US legally? Maybe in your fantasy land, this isn't happening, but last I checked, fully auto AK-47's in London are going for about 800 British pounds. Over here, I'd probably have to pay triple for a legal fully auto AK-47 as a citizen.

So, since your point is proven completely false since in the UK, the outlaws have the guns, and law abiding citizens do not, I see a catch 22 happening on your reply. Maybe this one I can't fully predict unless you pull something from fantasy land instead of reality. Please, amuse me some more! :D


-S

Illegal death by fire arms is still as rare as a blue moon in the UK.

In a average year you have 0.0000000296% chance of getting shot in the UK.
Thats insanely small.

Having a gun to fend off that chance is like wearing a hard hat all the time outdoors in case a meteore knocks your head.


Chances of getting shot by an assault rifle?
haha, not worth thinking about!

"The only thing that jumps out is lethal violence," Hemenway says. Violence, pace H. Rap Brown, is not "as American as cherry pie," but American violence does tend to end in death. The reason, plain and simple, is guns. We own more guns per capita than any other high-income country—maybe even more than one gun for every man, woman, and child in the country. A 1994 survey numbered the U.S. gun supply at more than 200 million in a population then numbered at 262 million, and currently about 35 percent of American households have guns. (These figures count only civilian guns; Switzerland, for example, has plenty of military weapons per capita.)
"It's not as if a 19-year-old in the United States is more evil than a 19-year-old in Australia—there's no evidence for that," Hemenway explains. "But a 19-year-old in America can very easily get a pistol. That's very hard to do in Australia. So when there's a bar fight in Australia, somebody gets punched out or hit with a beer bottle. Here, they get shot."

http://harvardmagazine.com/2004/09/d...he-barrel.html

Seeing as I was burglarized on Friday, I've been sleeping with a claw hammer next to my bed. That should do the job. I'll use the blunt end, of course. I don't want the claw getting stuck in someone's skull in case I need to swing again. :arrgh!:

Try to sneak up behind them and aim for the top of the head.

However unflinching you think you are you will suffer trauma to some extent if the
young man is facing you and it takes several messy blows to finish the job with a
less than surgical hand-to-hand weapon.

He may be the enemy, but you don't want the kind of dreams that the money from
veterans day trys to help people with when you go to sleep the next night.

If you really want to kill someone because they took your DVD player then go with a gun.
It's all about the distance, speed, visible damage and blame.

It is far less traumatic to kill with more speed, distance, less visible damage and to
put some blame on to an inanimate object or someone else. Guns do all 3 fairly well,
better than a claw hammer anyway.

Of course guns have limitations, the Nazis found this out when trying to kill Jews.
After shooting several hundred the people doing the shooting started to suffer from
trauma.
The gas chambers and ovens fixed this by increasing the distance, decreasing
visible damage and transferring more of the blame away from the killer and onto the gas.

If you want to push it all the way then the A-bomb is a great way to kill people trauma free.
the distances are massive, there is no visible damage to people, speed isn't a issue
and you can blame it all on the bomb, even if you don't then you can always blame it
on someone else responsible for the drop.

If those who dropped the bomb had to kill all those people with a claw hammer then
they wouldn't have got past the first hundred thousand with out breaking into a
gibbering wreck.

The other option is to avoid him and then phone the police of course.
Bear it in mind. ;)



I wonder if he has a wife and kids. Certainly a mother!

Letum, I can understand where you're coming from, but for me it goes beyond having my stuff stolen.

I moved into my new place a week ago when my fiance broke up with me. I hadn't lived here a week when someone kicked in my door, stole my computer, my game systems, every DVD I own, as well as my knife set in my kitchen amongst other assorted items.

My hobbies include playing games and cooking. And I obviously loved my ex-fiance with every bit of my being. So therefore, the way I see it, everything that brought me joy in my life has been taken from me. To kick me while I'm down, as this (these) piece(s) of human garbage did to me, is the final straw. I'm not a violent person, and have not struck a person in anger since the 4th grade, but if they came back to finish the job and clean me out, I'd actually take great pleasure in beating them to a pulp.

Wife and kid? Too bad. Shouldn't have gotten hooked up with a piece of trash. Mother? Should have done a better job teaching your kid right from wrong. The possibility of an angry and vindictive homeowner is the risk you run when making your living as a thief.

But I'll agree with you on one thing. I live in Texas and guns are easy to get here. I'll be getting a shotgun soon and I guess the sound of me racking it while someone's in my house will be a great deterrant.

Yer, get the shot gun soon, it makes it much easier. you dont want to back out at the
last muinet with a hand to hand weapon only to have him turn on you.

Eh? I might be amusing, but you're baffling.
I was pointing out a rhetorical tautology in waste_gate's post, a meaningless phrase that imparts no knowledge, that's all. Read Letum's reply, he seems to have understood.
Poster 1 - Why Argument "A"?
Poster 2 - Because "A"? How are you not getting this?!

etc
My criminals? I'm not British, and I don't run a gang of Kalashnikov-wielding pickpockets. Maybe in fantasy land I'm a heavily armed Artful Dodger, not here.
Eh? The only proof you've made here is that some guns are cheaper in London than the Pacific Northwest. And I wasn't trying to make that point. I wasn't making any point, bar a linguistic one. This is hilarious.
If I had been arguing about guns prices in two foreign countries, then I'd say that it's probably a lot easier to buy an rifle in the US than illegally in London. The shoeleather costs of finding someone who'll sell you one in London outweigh the price differential. You say it as if there are specialist shops for illegal guns, right on Main Street, I think you're being disingenous.

Re: blinkers, brainwashed, predictable - Have a banana. You've made a massive assumptive leap, seeing arguments where there were none.

relevant post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...referrer=email

The Supreme Court announced today that it will decide whether the District of Columbia's ban on handguns violates the Constitution, a choice that will put the justices at the center of the controversy over the meaning of the Second Amendment for the first time in nearly 70 years.
The court's decision could have broad implications for gun-control measures locally and across the country, and will raise a hotly contested political issue just in time for the 2008 elections.

Well, when the Second Amendment is scrapped, they can pry my Glock G21 .45cal out of my dead, clenched fingers... :up:

Back on topic ..........

This years (2007) test of some weapons tested off site 25 miles northeast of Medford, WI by me and some friends of 25+ years - (Medford, WI is home headquarters of TombStone Pizza - each frozen pizza is made there) i.e. we tested these weapos [not in our homes shooting an intruder] but shot at tin cans full of water.

Disclaimer:
No aninmals were hurt making this presentation.

We have been doing this each year since 1983, it is an annual event for me.

104 pics for you to look at via Windows Live - hope you enjoy the "boys" in the north woods of Wisconsin (cheese heads).

http://cid-2a2a6387d72a1274.spaces.l...7D72A1274!142/

You can also look at the pictures in the folder called November 18 on the FAR LEFT. This is my get-a-way place I own 120 miles west of Chicago, IL. It's this years picture albumn of me raking leaves by myself for 2 days, 8-9 hours each day. That sucked and I ended up with a sore back.