I don't need to wait for spring 2008, I'm already in the Indian Ocean thanks to GWX 1.03. :D

SH4 is an Allied game in my book, find if they want to add AI U-Boats but to sail them sorry no you cross the line to SH3 which is an Axis game.

Well put.

And allow me to add my somewhat offical stamp to this sentiment by reminding people that everyone here gets treated with respect. You may not agree with decisions or directions, and that is fine. Feel free to post your opinions but do it in a mature and respectful manner.

JCC

I should have wrote polite instead of educated, please remember that english is not my first languaje...

@Monolith, probably the choice of words wasn't the best, but none of the quotes you made are in any way false, except perhaps the "cheapo" part, the only cheap work is ours, as we (the modding comunity) are the only ones doing it for free...

Ref

Put the quote in the proper context

And while we are on the subject of being accurate

The only KM heavy unit to visit the Indian Ocean ( west ) was the Graf Spee
2 years before SH4 starts and sunk in Dec 39
http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmari...s/1939/m1.html

http://www.subsim.com/sh4/images/SH4...421%20copy.jpg

Ship looks very very nice though
Tis a pity will never be seen

I agree with Mr Dan. All members of the team are united, developers and testers are all good friends, and TRUSTWORTHY PEOPLE above all. I think that's the main reason why each and everyone of us has been chosen to be team members.

Each and everyone of us respect yourself and your way of thinking, Mr Monolith... But now, please keep for yourself this kind of BS, we don't have anything to do with these useless rumors.

Ende. :stare:

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Arrrrrrrrrrrrr!:arrgh!: The devs and Ubi are your benefactors or you wouldn't be here. Once you get your new toys to play with you'll be all happy perverting them to more useful and more fun purposes to your own liking anyway. I bet all the modders here will be having a great time with this in six months and all the gousing will be forgotten.

In the meantime don't say anything you'll regret when you grow up!:up: You guys are the greatest. Just don't start thinking you're the arbiters of game publication. That is an economic game, not an asthetic game. Ubi has a plan and so far it looks like a good one that plays right into the GWXers strengths.

Looks like I should play some more SH3 to understand what you all have your panties in a wad for.

It's a game, gentlemen. Enjoy it as it is.

I have no idea if that ship was sunk even before SH4 "starts". And, IMO, it doesn't matter. Silent Hunter was meant as a form of entertainment. Use it to have fun.

Some lose sight of this aspect.

Mihai, thank you. Your insight is always welcomed and appreciated.

Don't let us "rivet counters" get you down. I understand that the first and foremost the game is supposed to be about FUN. But there's some of us who find the fun in complete and total historical accuracy down to the smallest detail. And that's fine too. But I know that we're probably a minority of a subsim audience that itself is a minority.

I guess you just kind of have to live by the phrase "you can please some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time." But I think you do a commendable job of doing so.

Just wanted you to keep that in mind as we debate the minutae of which ship was sunk when and how many sacks of potatoes a U-boat carried. :up:

Imagine an addon for SH3 with the Iowa shown in 39

@ maerean_m

While you may not care if the Spee was sunk before the game even starts most of your prospective CUSTOMERS that you want to encourage from SH3 to SH4 do
There is no doubting the modelling talent of the dev team but IMHO modelling units actually in the area at the time the game is there would be a REAL plus


If we all enjoyed the game as it is there would be no modding community
For SH3 or SH4

I for one WILL buy the addon ( if sold ) as I fully support the continuation of Sub sims
Just as I bought SH4 even though I didnt have any intention of leaving the Atlantic

If you cant point out glaring errors then something is wrong
My twopenceworth

You were wrong about the Type XVII - XVIII thing and now you are wrong again:
Graf Spee's Sister ship Admiral Scheer operated very successfully in the Indian Ocean during it's Commercial raider mission (in fact the most successful of any heavy single KM unit). It reached the vicinity of the Seychelles during that mission and then returned safely to Germany after playing cat and mouse with the Royal Navy. That was in 1940/41.

As already said by others the XVIII and XXI almost look the same. The latter was developed as a gap-filler with proven propulsion technology until the Walther turbine was fully tested for war-usage. No Type XVIII was ever built.

On 4 Jan, 1943 contracts were granted to Deutshce Werke in Kiel for 2 XVIII Walter submarines (werk # 330 and 331). These boats (U-796 & U-797) were intended to be the first real combat Atlantic submarines based on the Walter design and they had incredible potential on the drawing board.
These boats were transferred to Germaniawerft in Kiel on 14 Dec, 1943 for completion but were cancelled in favour of the XXI on 28 March 1944. The XXI electro boat was extremely similar in appearance and size but used massive amount of batteries (3 times the power of the VIIC) to reach submerged speed of 17 knots.

http://uboat.net/types/xviii.htm

:oops: Yes you are correct about the Scheer
Spent almost a month along the East African coast where is sank 3 ships

Will hold my hands up to that one
Funny as a scripted that for GWX
Meh

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http://imgcash2.imageshack.us/img223...opcorn3yv1.gif

Jimbuna - ive noticed at couple of occasions that you like popcorn:D

Nobody has questioned the fantasy nature of the XVIII being included. This is where you seem to be wrong:
You've just said yourself that the XVIII and the XXI were "extremely similar in appearance and size", so how do you know that's a screenshot of a XXI rather than a XVIII?