Well I don't think it helps your position when all you ever do is supply nut job links in support. I don't think you have ever supplied a link on this subject where your 'proof' hasn't been proved worthless. These last two experts of yours case in point.

Of course it matters not. Some of those who would "discredit" Avery are hacks for the environmental movement themselves, and are biased in it's view. Let's see Karen Charman, Theo Colborn???? Dianne Dumanowski??? All enviro-activist shills. You've got to take that with a grain of salt. Just read up on those people. I just did and saw that within 5 minutes..... None of them actually discredits anyone becaue they themselves are wrapped up in their own biases. Sorry, despite your hopes, many still don't believe your beliefs in "Global Doom".

That pretty much goes double for you. Almost every "global tragedy" source is a nut-job source. :doh: :rotfl::rotfl:

Uh-huh. Sure. I'm still impressed with his many homes and uses of private jets. My...here's a video of Gore polluting the atmosphere in a private jet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VV309lbB8c

He's not living a life he advocates for us. But then again, you willfully put the "blindfold of ignorance" over your own eyes. Some of us can see the fraud that Al Gore clearly is.

Here's some more disagreement. You can close your eyes and your mind if you'd like brad. :lol:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0927/p13s03-sten.html

Ok, then we bring up my favorite point...

So what? So what if it's wrong. You're looking for validation that it's ok to drive an SUV that's as big as a house? You looking for a salve on the soul for the fact that gosh darnit, plastic packaging is so convenient? You looking for the green light to think that pollutants in our streams and air is just a tradeoff for modern living?

Or is it maybe, just maybe, you can't stand the politics of Al Gore and are so caught up in the partisan "disagree at any costs" routine that you don't really know what you're arguing for anymore?

Actually it's much simpler than this mookie. There are people out there pushing the same old..."We're All Going To Die.....The Sky Is Falling!!!!!!!!" routine and promoting very draconian measures for something they have not proven. Nor is there any agreement whatsoever what causes all the fluctuations in temperatures. Fluctuations in temperatures that have preceded the SUV. By many many centuries. I don't think it's wise to listen to these alarmist voices (frauds if you will) as they've been wrong everytime they've pushed their "doom and gloom" scenarios during my lifetime. We can't afford what they want to do. And they offer no solutions other than burning down the proverbial barn. This is why I'm opposed.

And yes, there is actually more out there to support that termperature fluctuations have been ongoing during Earth's existence. This has not just been happening ever since Hummer started putting out the H2. Yes. I support clean air and clean water and such. I want pollution reduced. I support alternative sources of energy if it can be implemented and cost effective. But I also think that our production, technology, and Capitalism can co-exist with a clean environment. Al Gore types apparently do not and wish to use harsh measures to punish behaviors they don't agree with. And yes, Gore's hypocrisy by polluting with private jets, and living in large homes, and generating $30,000 a month utility bills kind of shows a major discrepency. His own "carbon footprint" exceeds my whole neighborhood. Do as I say....not as I do. Right??

BTW.....what Business's is Al Gore running from his home? Just what does he produce in goods or services out of his home???

If you can discredit one thing they've said please do. No, you can't? Only shoot the messenger if they are wrong.
I see you did your usual and ignored his Institute backing by Exxon Mobil, Monsanto, and a host of pesticide and chemical companies. You have heard of Monsanto haven't you?
You also forgot to back up Fredrick 'smoke isn't bad for you' Singer. Or his forgetfulness about working for the oil companies.

You're dodging brad. You have proven nothing about the messengers of the opponents of "Man-made global warming" theories except show people who are in bed with enviro-lunatics. You can't discredit anything about Avery. Nor can you discredit successfully any other dissenting voices. It doesn't matter anything about ExxonMobil or any other chemical companies. The burden of proof of man-made global warming is on the propponents. Something they have not proven. How come these lunatics refuse to see historical temperature fluctuations???? why is that?? Why does Al Gore refuse to debate in any open forum??? Using sources that are linked directly to the kooky environment movement won't get you far. Of course you have your google links and refuse to think for yourself. You post nutty links and have people like Theo Colborn, Karen Charmon, and Dianne Dumanowski do your thinking for you. The facts are, there are voices who don't buy man-made global warming. And those voices are growing. What you're concerned about is 30 years or more of fear-mongering is coming to an end.

Oh, so now he can't own more then one house. What is your reasoning for that? I hate to tell you you this but it's hard to make a donkey fly. Whats wrong with owning a private jet? I wouldn't mind one.

You're lost totally. :doh: Al Gore advocates a degraded lifestyle for the rest of us. He tells us to not fly as much. Ride bikes. Don't run air conditioners. And he generates a utility bill more than my entire neighborhood in one month than all of us put together. He flies private jets all over the world. "Polluting" the atmosphere. And you can't see it. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Arguing with a liberal democrat is true, priceless comedy.

By the way brad...just what business is Gore running out of his home???hmmmm?? What goods and services is he providing from his house? What about Gore's other big house?

I recommend you learn something from your own sig.

Gore's residence uses considerably more energy than the average American home.

Status: True


http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/gorehome.asp

Wake up and smell the hypocrisy.

I'm dodging what? Funny. I thought I did a good job of discrediting him. Go figure. Your last sentence is odd to say the least.

I don't believe I have seen or heard about one person arguing against historical temperature variations. The only argueing I've heard of is the actual times in history when there was. Myself I don't care if their is a hundred year difference of opinion of bygone ages. I believe if you research a little you will find that the concern is that man made pollutants are accelerating the process past the norm.

Because the guy you are referring to is a nut who has no support in the recognized scientific field. I believe I proved that last time you brought up the guys name(whoever he was) and his quest for a debate.

I'm assuming you mean my links above about Avery. I invite you to show me where they are wrong about him. Like I said only shoot the messenger if they are wrong.

See thats the problem. I research if I'm interested in something and I'll share my results. If I disagree with you I'll show you why I disagree. I'm not afraid of learning something new. If you can show I'm wrong great, you have taught me something. All you have to do is show me. Lazy? I think not.

Like I said above if you research a little you will find that the concern is that man made pollutants are accelerating the process past the norm. I believe that a major change is needed in how and what kind of energy is produced and used. It's more then a few million people turning a light off when not in use or Gore riding in a private jet. Cleaner energy and alternatives to fossil fuels have to be found. It's actually mind boggling to me that people don't or won't recognize that. Screw with mother nature and she will screw you. Simple as that.

I suggest you read it yourself Sea Demon. It's interesting. Try reading past the first page.