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Originally Posted by TheSatyr

I think my problem is the immaturity level of people who have to use derogatory terms about any nationality in a game just for the immersion excuse.

I've hung around the battlefront.com website for years and this kind of thing would never have come up over there.

Are you sure?

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Nuff said...

Well Battlefront.com sounds like a very one sided forum, do you all wear the same avatar and march in lines ?

Most likely all you have done is encouraged people to go there and start acting up.

I dont think Subsim needs to worry about thier reputation with other wargame sites, especially ones with such little tollerance.

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Originally Posted by DaMaGe007

do you all wear the same avatar and march in lines ?

No, because avatars aren't allowed on their forums. ;)

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Originally Posted by timmyg00

Hey Steve, I agree with you on principle, but before you go lecturing anyone one how to "speak", take a look at your signature. It's loaded with ethnic stereotypes - 2 for each group mentioned, for a grand total of ten! Funny or not, they're still stereotypes, and violate the spirit of your posts in this thread...

Point taken. I never even thought of that. Consider them gone.

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Point taken. Consider them gone.

Steve, all I can say is ... class act.

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

On the subject of flags I've always been sort of intrigued by the fact that the Japanese Maritime Self Defence Forces brought back the Rising Sun flag as a naval ensign in 1954. I was wondering if it causes any bad feelings when flown in Asian countries which chaffed under Japanese occupation. I've heard it rankles some veterans when Japanese ships visiting Pearl Harbour fly it. Perhaps because of it's more martial history it doesn't have the same political baggage as the 'German' swastika?

http://www.eskimo.com/%7Esnowfall/Naval-Ensign.jpg

Yes the fact that the same Japanese flags flown during the war years are back in many Asian countries does cause tension. Generally speaking these countries are now happy to have Japanese investment- on their terms. But the horrible wounds of the war years heal slowly.
Interestingly in Japan the naval SDF has a better rep as the war is largely blamed on the Army. Also the Navy was less willing to go to war with the US and UK than the army...but I suspect you knew that!
Oh and the fact that the same national anthem is being brought back is contraversial. Many teachers have lodged suit against the government after they were punished for not singing it. The problem with the anthem is that it simply extolls the Imperial Family and their reign.

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Originally Posted by flintlock

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Originally Posted by DaMaGe007

do you all wear the same avatar and march in lines ?

No, because avatars aren't allowed on their forums. ;)

Ouch, so they are just numbers eh :)

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Originally Posted by DaMaGe007

Ouch, so they are just numbers eh :)

Name, rank and serial number. Double-time, soldier!

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

My problem is, this "issue" strikes me on a personal level.

I have this one, big massive pet peeve that sets me off quicker then a stick of dynamite with a quickmatch fuse:

What is tantamount to special intrest groups, trying adjust the rules and laws so that im forced to live by THEIR standards or customs.

One example, i have BIG ISSUES with organized religion. My best example is my own kid brother is not allowed to celebrate Holloween anymore at school because some overly christionized dillweeds decided it was devil worship. So they got some city ordinace passed and theyre you go.

That, to me, is OUTRAGEOUS! When groups of people with a speical intrest do stuff like that, i tend to fight it. I dont care what it is, it just REALLY sets of me off how a small group of people can screw things up for everybody else - to have their garbage ramrodded down my throat. I really hate it, and all it does is motivate me to piss in those people's wheaties every chance i get. If someone just asked me on a personal level, "hey man, i really wish you could use some other word", thats one thing.

But when people make an issue about it, and try and ramrod it down my throat, i'll do the exact opposite because the very thought about those people getting their way like that ticks me off. I'ts one thing to ask me, it's another thing to make a lobby about it because it feels like a damn infringement on personal rights if/when they get their way, and to not fight back about it, is to let them "win", and that's just equally upsetting.

Ducimus, I completely understand. Guess I just made things worse by running on about the issue. It was not my intention to antagonize you. The thing is I've had friends who were victims of racist violence- some fools threw rocks through their windshield while calling them Japs. They weren't hurt physically, but it shames me that they were treated so badly in my country.
I do think it is best if we don't tie this issue to all our outside subsim issues though. So I'll drop it.
:ping:

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Originally Posted by flintlock

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Originally Posted by DaMaGe007

Ouch, so they are just numbers eh :)

Name, rank and serial number. Double-time, soldier!

Sir Yes Sir ! Zeig Heil !

Oops I forgot which army I was in...

When I am getting shot at, I use lots of neato phrases.... ;)

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Originally Posted by TheSatyr

I've hung around the battlefront.com website for years and this kind of thing would never have come up over there.

In fact those from battlefront.com that have been here once never go back since they consider Subsim as "internet kindergarden". Sorry Neal.

Really? I guess we'll have to do better. :)

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Originally Posted by U-Dog

Thanks for the info U-Dog.

Although a US citizen I was born in Japan and lived as a youth in Okinawa at Kadena AFB. I made the mistake of using the term 'Jap" once and got a severe reprimand from my Master Sargent father. Haven't used it since. ;)

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

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Originally Posted by timmyg00

Point taken. I never even thought of that. Consider them gone.

No that was an ace signature!! :o

Personally I`d consider the use of terms like "Jap" and similiar OK in the terms of gaming. If I speak about WWII games and anything that goes around I refer to "Japs" "Krauts" "Amis" et c. - since it`s just a game and I`m just talking about gaming - not players, not the opponents... planes downed, ships sunk et c. et c. So tin cans go there ase well. But I`m not using such words when talking about anyone in person - personally I don`t find them to be polite. Some of my best friends are Japanese and I wouldn`t think calling them "Japs" or any offensive word. Also because I don`t want to be known as a rude moron from somewhere in Europe. But that`s just my opinion...

Bringing some issues on: I don`t find German Swastika offensive per se, the same with any other flag or insignia that is there. And the same with some words - people should be allowed to use it and a simple ban is not very reasonable as it`s all the matter of context and strongly depends on it.
For example: I don`t find Swastika and SS signs offensive, when I see them on a box of a plastic model kit. It`s more like a historical insignia.
But when it appears among skinheads, screaming "sieg heil" everything is so much damn different.
So I don`t find it really offensive when someone here uses "Japs" as long as it`s not pointed at Japanese. Yattky has said it was offensive, the issue has been IMHO solved.