cheers Neal

I definatly will NOT mow Neal out of his dinghy

What an excellent thread.

Whilst I, myself, wouldn't shoot survivors (unless they had their i-pods really loud, so you could a tinny version of what they were listening to outside their headphones) I would defend to the hilt the right for other Kaleuns-sorry Captains- to do so.

In fact Ubi soft not putting machine gunnable survivors in the game would deny us our right to commit evil which is the most essential part of the human condition. How else can we achieve salvation except by resisting the urge to wanton slaughter, or perhaps by commiting it and seeking redemption:hmm:

Kurtz won't machine gun survivors. Why? Because of the horror. The horror. The horror...

After reading this thread, i hope they add lifeboats inpervious to damage or ramming with japanese survivors hurling the most profane insults at the player in japanese and/or accented english.

Great, the Japanese should be allowed to insult me and I can't defend myself?:o If I'm not allowed to shoot back I want to have a function where I can curse the survivors in return. Quid pro quo!:rotfl:

There should be a mini-game where you push the 'I' button faster and faster so you can out-insult the survivors. :88)

Well, one reason why I take this so seriously is that an alarming number of people in favour of gunning apart life-boats in this game seem to also apply their standards to real-life, where killing has consequences.

I was wondering when you'd drag religion into this:rotfl:.

Well, apart from morality, Geneva conventions, What Would Morton Do, et al, I so far have found these arguments against:

• FPS spent on modelling every life-boat, seagull and dock person with a collision mesh/hit box/whatever so that they can be shot.
• Age limit issues (SH4 is currently rated "E" for "Everyone", it seems, and massacring life-boats would probably up that a level to ET or T or something).
• It doesn't really contribute to game-play, more than it'd contribute to shoot seagulls.

Sh.t I'll kill anything any time any whare!! :arrgh!:

Yeah I was wondering about that 7+ rating for SH 4 because SH 3 is "T" ( Teen ).
Somehting dosn't smell right here. :hmm:

What? are you not over 7+ :lol:

I'll be 2 in three years.:lol:

To get back to the topic, look at the Battle of the Bismark Sea. All those troop transports sunk, and the fliers didn't just leave them to their fate in the water. They strafed the Japanese troops in the water until there was nothing left moving.

The Military Channel ran the 2 part program called, Hell in the Pacific just this last weekend. And when you hear how the American and English guys talked about their opponents, whewwwwwwwwwwwwww. There was definitely no love loss there. Even in the island fighting, they talked about the "no prisoner" attitude, and showed some graphic film of wounded soldiers getting the business. There was even one fellow who said they were so short of intellegence, that there was an offer to all the men fighting, that who ever brought back a pow, they would get a 2 week furlough. As soon as they had enough pow's, the Marines went back to the no prisoners approach.

A good eye opener about the Pacific.

Here's a bit of a moral delima. Now, personnaly ive already said, that i woudlnt machine gun surviors in the water. Im not all that hot about the idea in real life terms, they are human beings. In a game (because i know its a game) id probably have fun with it.

But had i been alive during WW2 and known about these goings on at the time:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...dGSiffleet.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
(get a load of unit 731 linked at the bottom, my god)

All that on top of pearl Harbor? I have to wonder what i *really* would have done.

Being there in real life, and being there in a simulator are two different worlds. The show I mentioned above had some clips of actor Rod Stieger, as he was on a destroyer in WWII, and even he said the first time he saw how the enemy were treated, it made him think about the 10 Commandments, and that we're not supposed to do that to each other.

And then as some of the guys also said too, that after a while, you see enough of the dead, and the rotting, that you don't think twice about it. The stench doesn't even bother you anymore. That's rough to say the least. That must have been living through hell.

...and they say my methods are unsound...:D