Austria decided to set daily quotas.
Which means Slovenia could quickly back up with the migrant flow since Croatians are just shipping them over here as quickly as possible.

Wasn't there someone or some who said there ain't no such things as no-go zone.

Saw on Danish TV an issue from Swedish TV. A journalist was traveling with a police officer in a civilian car in the Swedish suburban town Fittja outside Stockholm. The police did this, if they had entered the area in a police car, it could have gone nasty.

The officer said to the camera. We do not enter this area if really not needed. They throw stones, shot at us and have on occasion thrown live grenade at us(yes he said that)

The whole thing was about a head of a police section, was crying out for help in a article warning that the Swedish police was facing breakdown.

Markus

That's just misunderstood cultural enrichment. Be more tolerant!:stare:

Yeah, 1 or 2 here, the usual candidates who, for whatever reason, refuse to see reality, even when shoved in their faces.

"No-Go-Zones" exist in Germany for YEARS now, it isn't something new, something mysterious, some rumor. It is very real and everyone who doubt it is invited by me to get dropped off by car in these zones.
I almost guarantee you will quickly know why these zones are no sinister fantasy of some closet-nazis.

That would be me, I suppose.

I wasn't referring to you know.
Do you think there are no no-go zones? :hmmm:

I am aware of there being number of no-go zones throughout Europe.

In the beginning I so to say refused that there was these no-go zone, but after have seen more and more evidence on our mainstream media I know now that there are no-go zone

So the next question is

What can we do about it and can we do something about it or have we to learn to live with it ?

Markus

I wonder if what we call 'the hood' is the same as what you all call a no go zone. Those are the places you hear where most of the police shooting occur in tne U.S. Of course our media loves to make you think the police were shakin' down Mr. Rodgers because they didnt like his sweater.

It's however a myth that these No Go Zones are Sharia Law operating zones in which the local law isn't aplicable.

It's No Go Zone becaue of the high crime due to high levels of poverty, unemployement and not a bright outlook on the future that their living conditions will improve that these zones aren't a the ones to be in and yes these are usually occupied for the most part by the culture enriching foreigners. Been there, seen them when I was still living in the Netherlands and the only way for the police to enter those is in civilian disguise.

You know that inner voice telling you that you are the sole voice of reason? :hmmm: Ignore it. Try to picture the other posters here as people on equal footing with you. And you don't have to win every argument or convert every person. By adding your thoughts and opinions you are contributing a lot. :up:

This "site" is as welcome to people of the Islamic faith, as any other, equally along with atheists, Christians, Buddists, and Jews, and other religions short of anarchists and satanists.

I am sure there are people who are afraid of anything Arabic, but most of the people I come into contact are not remotely afraid, they are simply tired of dealing with bombings, shootings, beheadings, and the general chaos emanating from the ME. Where are the leaders in the ME? The great statesmen who are fighting to wrench the extremists into order and lift up there people?

There are millions of Muslims in the US, I used to work under one at Cycle Gear. We get along fine. There are probably 100 times more mobile phone store robberies than crimes of Mosque vandalism and anti-Arabic hate. It is not "anti-Muslim" to desire to keep one's culture, in one's country, and to oppose mass immigration of people who are extremely devoted to an incongruent culture/religion. It doesn't take a Nostradamus or Einstein to see the problems what will develop from that down the road. As one member here said, "I like where I live", in regards to gun control or something. I absolutely understand that sentiment. He would not be happy if thousands of gun-happy rednecks immigrated to his province or county.

It appears that people who are idealistic view immigrants in unrealistic ways. The ME immigrants that are flooding your countries are frequently narrow-minded, racist, misogynist, anti-Semites. They need help, so they present a friendly, submissive face to their hosts. Does that make them evil or unworthy of assistance? No. There are narrow-minded, racist, misogynist people all over the world, of every faith. To varying degrees. It's just people. We should help the people of the ME, but that does not include opening our boarders and giving up our culture.

Side note: I had supper with a life-long friend yesterday. She's a really devout Christian, her brother too. He is currently on a missionary assignment in one of the African countries. She says he is returning, they are shutting the mission down. Why? A lot of the people in the village have left on their trip to Europe to start their new life.

Amen to what Neal said.

I just add: where are the demands, where is the pressure towards the Muslim countries on this planet to pick up their suffering brothers and sisters? The rich Gulf states? Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabia spends hundreds of millions every year to build its extremists-breeding mosques and "culture-centres" and to finance Muslim communities throughout Europe while threatening with death every foreigner visiting their country and carrying a bible for personal use in his suitcase, and it spends even more on supporting Islamic terrorism and extremism throughout the world while having turned, already long time ago, their country into a monocultural desert what one and a half millenia ago was a romping place of different cults, sects, cultures, and beliefs and international trade. And where is Kuwait? Quatar? The UAE? Indonesia? Where are the Western idealists demanding these to care for people that are culturally and often ethnically so very close to these countries?

Truth is that rich Islamic countries all too often give brown stuff for the fate of their brothers and sisters and care more for missionising in the West and increasing Islam's political infouence in the world. Demography and mass migration are just two of the non-military weapons that get used to put the West under pressure. And the West - allows that strategy to unfold it's effect, standing stunned like a deer in the searchlight.

If you allow your morals being turned into the tools of your defeat and supression, so that these morals now work against you and get used by the other to push you back and destroy you - then you are weak, you are stupid, and you are probably cowardly. Get out of the way.

The EU Council meeting today and tomorrow, dealing with the refugee crisis and the UK's relations within Europe should be interesting.

related to the thread topic: Islam and the Crisis of Liberal Values in Europe
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic.../elephant-room

"Can a Europe of 28 member states share responsibility for a smaller number of refugees than is currently in Lebanon alone? Of course it can...

The elephant in the room is an underlying Islamophobia. The simple fact is that European member states don’t really want to welcome Muslim migrants.

This has been explicit in the case of countries with vocal far-right parties and in central European countries with Christian nationalist governments. But the liberal political elites of western Europe have steered clear of admitting that the biggest single barrier to coherent asylum and immigration policies is public anxiety about Islam. Far-right parties have pandered to these fears, stoking xenophobia. For the most part, though, people across the rest of the political spectrum have remained silent on the topic..."

Well, we removed them as thanks to us by invading one country we allowed one to be hanged, the other we bombed the crap out and allowed the rebels capture and murder the other and where busy with the 3rd one till we may have started to realize that what we are reaping what we've been sowing.

Saddam, Gadaffi and Assad may not be posters boys for Human rights, Freedom, liberties and where harsh in anything that would threaten their rule which includes extremism but at least under their rule things where kept under an order people could live their lives by. You don't need to be an expert to know that these countries have a constant struggle of ethnic and between the different sects of the Islam that they can't be ruled unless it's someone with a firm hand that smacks down anything that goes out of order. That's why Western countries like Northern Europe is a paradise for these immigrants...what keeps them in check? Not our soft hand understanding of misunderstood people who break the law constantly justice system and our welfare system which can be easily abused.

^ Plus we applauded the removal of Mubarak in Egypt - and condemn Mursi playing the game in the only way to keep the MB in check.