If that is so, you maybe want the original source as well:
https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/ausland...story/13664885


I got the man's name wrong in my post, sorry. Not Michael Sommer, but Markus Somm.

Too late now but not a problem either :03:

You simply couldn't make this up :har:

Rather fitting i think.

Maybe it was not so unintentional :03:

As good as the 3-versus-33 pages thing. :har:

Wow



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lanvQdGnOY

Now Carlaw makes his case for SCon leadership:

Jackson Carlaw: Why I’m standing to lead the Scottish Conservatives

Not much substance, TBH. The commentators seem to feel the same way.:hmmm:

Although I'm not so sure how this posters proposal would go down in England, let alone Scotland:

My main observation about the current state of Union that is the UK of GB and NI is that it reminds me of the last decades of the Indian Raj. Even those who are governing are starting to question the legitimacy of it's existance.

Mike.:hmmm:

I've wondered about that too, do you think that the UK government are hoping that the SNP dig such a bloody big hole for themselves that the UK government will be seen as saviours when they come to rescue Scotland in their hour of need.

^ Reads and sounds like an unlikely scenario doesn't it but, we're talking devious, government bastards here who will do almost anything to save the union, aren't we.....

The problem is not Europe. The problem is the EU - it claims what it empirially demands to be, and the bad government it provides.



And both are not only not the same. Both are antagonists.


WWII, its veterans and NATO did not and do not stand for the EU-project. They stand for Europe. A Europe that is being hijacked and abused by the EU to turn it into a planned economy tyranny with a radically left-leaning society model and an all-dominant superior Sovjet overseeing it all and ordering it what to do and what to think and what to want and what to say.



Britain's turn-away is not a defeat of liberty. Its a reminder of what liberty originally once was meant to be. The EU leaves you only one liberty: the liberty to be compliant with the EU'S wanted collectivistic totalitarianism, and the EU'S upper hand on all and evertyhing. That is not liberty, but the betrayal of liberty.



Being a veteran of WWII, does not save you from misunderstanding things in the present. The attempt to appease Hitler - was born out of the wish to never have something like WW1 again, and prove that reasoncan prevail. People had good intentions when hoping this course woudl succeed. But they were sleepwalking into the abyss, and made it all a self-fulfilling prophecy. They believed in unrealistic, in wrong truths. These veterans in the video may mean it well. This does not turn them into experts on the present, or the EU. Their merits are refering to what they did in the past - not necessarily to what they think in the present.



Thats why this clip to me is just a populist attempt by a group of activists to manipulate sentiments.

I don't think they're that devious. I think it has more to do with ignorance and lazy stereotyping about Scotland (particularly by the English Right) rather than actually trying to understand the reason WHY it acts the way it does.

Look for the root cause, rather than trying to fight a symptom which the existance of the SNP is. That means studying and understanding the nitty gritty of Scotland's history post-1707, particularly the conduct of it's ruling and mercantile/industrial classes.:hmmm:

Mike.

Couldn't have put it better myself :up:

A lot of british veterans are not confused and "misunderstanding" elder people, it was also not them who "appeased Hitler". They fought out what others had decided, and they were no "sleepwalkers". Most of them are not for a brexit, and they have said that loud and clear.
If anyone happened to read Cecil Lewis' "Sagittarius Rising" he will know what i mean, Lewis exactly described a united Europe, by trade and without frontiers; all those men were and are not for this "brexit".

Of course Britain's turn-away is not a "defeat of liberty", who said that? It is about leaving a trade union. But it is not about winning a war either and celebrating it, like Cummings, BoJo, Rees-Mogg and Farage want it to present. Although they said it all of the time it never was meant for the common people, and they will experience that soon enough.

Then it is very good that the brexiters are no populists and never tried to manipulate sentiments, while their reasons are all so scientific and well-based [/stark sarcasm] :haha:

"The first lie was austerity.

The second lie had two components, and together they led to the Conservatives’ victory in the 2015 general election. The first was that the Labour government had been profligate before the crisis. A simple look at the data shows this to be untrue.

The third lie was that immigration, rather than austerity, was responsible for those falling wages and reduced access to public services."
"The biggest and most damaging lie of all. The right-wing press groomed its readers with countless stories of “Brussels bureaucrats” that were mostly untrue. As a result of this misinformation, the public questioned the economic impact of Brexit, but believed limiting immigration would improve their access to public services.
Where did these falsehoods come from and why were they not challenged?"

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8929986.html

One of a hundred texts about it, you really have to wear blinkers to ignore it all.


Repeating the slobbering hate of Murdochs media. There may be all kinds of problems and corruption but this is ridiculous, and propaganda of the lowest kind.

Good article :hmmm:

https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/...it-nationalism

I know it is not aggravating enough, too little hate speech, and criticising nationalism. How could i, the defender of your colonial overlord (read: EU), dare to quote this.

:06: Your life maybe would be easier if you would not always spend so much effort into wanting to misunderstand or wanting to misquote what I actually have said, Catfish.

Seven things Brexit will change and seven it won't.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51194363

^ only during the transition period.
Whatever happens after that.. alone this driving license §$%&!! after the transition would be enough to cause headaches, thinking of truck drivers delivering goods. Do i need a visum to visit the UK after the transition? All back to the 60ies then.

That is why all efforts must be made to agree a mutually beneficial deal surely?

Both sides' positions are irreconcilable. A UK accepting the EU's demands would render brexit pointless. Whether the EU will bow or not, I dare not to predict. I think not.

Its the one point that was the elephant in the room from all beginning on, and one can dance and weasel around it as long as one wants, it does not go awy: sovereignty can only be claimed back by breaking ties and then restarting from scratch as tweo totally independent and different entities settling their future relations on basis of right this: being independent and different entities.

The EU raises claim for the UK. And it will not give this claim up and will ty to bully and to press and to threaten and intimidiate it, like it does with Switzerland and its banking sector. After all, the self-understanding of the EU is imperial, technically seen. It certainly is not the strongest of empires, and most likely it is set to not live long, but imperial its self-understanding now is, there can be no doubt about it. With the continental interpretation of "liberty", and the anglosaxon tradition of "liberty", two civilizations collide that are very far apart. Not at all we all are united over this term.


Like I wrote one or two pages earlier: that when on Monday Johnson and Barnier both revealed their plans to the public, Johnson came with 3 pages and Barnier with 33 pages, is more than just symbolic. Its quite revealing.

I assume Johnson knows that a complete break-up is unavoidable and desirable. Barnier seems to think that although he suffered total defeat with his Brexit negotiation strategy, he still has the upper hand and can get the EU's will - or he just poses and his shown confidence is just the whisteling of a lonely one who walks alone the forest. I think the no-deal brexit will become clear early: already in summer when Johnson will reject for the last time to accept a negotiation extension. So far the paperwork says that such an externsion must be agreed on in summer at the latest. The EU wants the extension, to bind the UK into the current status quo for longer than just this one year. This is not in the UK's interest, but in coimp0lete violation of its interest. Johnson has ruled it out, and I predict he will not change his stand on that. Not if he means his Brexit project serious.