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Reece 09-28-24 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadowblade (Post 2927738)
nice kill, IDF :up:

Yep! :yeah:

Skybird 09-28-24 05:56 AM

I cannot help but being impressed by the bitter, grim determination of the Israelis to see it all through, no matter the world. This attitude on how to win wars and what it means to fight for your survival is what the West has completely lost.

For Israel the need teaches the lessons, not some ideological leftist pro-Islamic mumbo-jumbo.

Absolutely possible that Netanyahu benefits personally from it, yes. If that is the price, its a small one.

Interesting to see how relatively mild and few hostile reactions Israel gets from Arab governments, considering the scale of the war. And those reactions it gets in parts are a balancing act of the governments who must weigh their own dispise for the Palestinians with the need to please their streets' public mood. Nobody should have the illusions that Palestinan Arabs are liked or welcomed amongst the other Arabs. They are outcasts amongsts their own people. And their stunt in Jordan has not been forgotten. Thats why the Jordanian secret service is the best intel service in the Arab world now.

We summarize it: Hezbollah's communications are seriously disprupted, their military leader pool has suffered very high losses and is seriously disrupted as well, and their stockpiled ammunitions and wepaons have taken a serious loss already, too - when if not now is the best time to go for them in totality? Hezbollah is not about a border dispute - they want to wipe out Israel. Nobody with a sane mind or just German hypermoralists like Annalena or a weak well-meaning doddering old man in the WH can seriously demand the Israelis to negotiate the terms of their own annihilation.

I'm sorry for the civilians, but Israel practices what I already years ago have preached: do not intentiinally target civilians - but also do not let the presence of civilians distract you from your military targets and the enemy fighters. Just go after the latter, no matter what.

Thats not nice. Thats war. We have too many illusions about simple truths. And we live by self-betraying thinking we could make war more civilized when making weapons precise and "smart", we can strike with surgical precision and no harm done to innocents.

All drivel and nonsense. War is not like this. Never was, never will be. Israel recalls something that was said by I think Golda Meir (I'm not certain) in the founding days of Israel: that the world is against Israel and Israel can only survive if convincing the world that it is a rabid dog willing to take down all the rest of the world along with it.

Now we are talking. Thats the language everybody understands.

Our little Annalena only makes funny sounds.

Skybird 09-28-24 06:08 AM

This comment scores bullseye.

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mapuc 09-28-24 06:50 AM

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If you look further into the future, however, it will not knock out the Lebanese group, believes the senior researcher.

- Hezbollah is a huge movement with lots of members, and they want to find a new leader and new commanders. It is not the case that Hezbollah will be wiped out by this, but it is of course a serious weakening, she says.
https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.go..._x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

Dargo 09-28-24 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2927748)

Like Hamas is not defeated, Hezbollah will survive this.

mapuc 09-28-24 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2927751)
Like Hamas is not defeated, Hezbollah will survive this.

Hezbollah is a huge terror organization who have a weak leadership for the moment. They will find a new leader and new high ranked person to lead the different sector of Hezbollah.

The next question is Iran:

Their two allied-Hamas and Hezbollah is under massive attacks.
For how long can Iran sit there and watch them being demolished ?

Markus

Dargo 09-28-24 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2927752)
Hezbollah is a huge terror organization who have a weak leadership for the moment. They will find a new leader and new high ranked person to lead the different sector of Hezbollah.

The next question is Iran:

Their two allied-Hamas and Hezbollah is under massive attacks.
For how long can Iran sit there and watch them being demolished ?

Markus

Iran wants some kinda deal with the West so they hold back, in the meantime diplomatic channels are busy in negotiations. Iran can say to Hamas, Hezbollah or the Houthis go do a full strike, and it will go hot in the Middle East, but this is their major card in their diplomatic policy.

mapuc 09-28-24 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2927754)
Iran wants some kinda deal with the West so they hold back, in the meantime diplomatic channels are busy in negotiations. Iran can say to Hamas, Hezbollah or the Houthis go do a full strike, and it will go hot in the Middle East, but this is their major card in their diplomatic policy.

Not only that, they are so close to have developed their own nuke and getting this destroyed in a war with Israel and/ or USA is not what they wish.

However how much impact does Iran have on these three terror organization ?
Hezbollah have said they will revenge this and you can bet on it will be a harsh reply from them, which Israel will give a counter-response to and the spiral of war and evilness will continue.

Hezbollah have also asked their allied to help them in their fight against Israel. Wonder how many of these are going to help them.

Markus

Dargo 09-28-24 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2927755)
Not only that, they are so close to have developed their own nuke and getting this destroyed in a war with Israel and/ or USA is not what they wish.

However how much impact does Iran have on these three terror organization ?
Hezbollah have said they will revenge this and you can bet on it will be a harsh reply from them, which Israel will give a counter-response to and the spiral of war and evilness will continue.

Hezbollah have also asked their allied to help them in their fight against Israel. Wonder how many of these are going to help them.

Markus

Iran is not the only country that has influence on Hezbollah, but with delivering the goods they have the say on when to use and how to use them like the US can restrict Ukraine. Nukes are not for use, they are to build the status quo of I have them so do not dare to attack me else I nuke you.

mapuc 09-28-24 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2927756)
Iran is not the only country that has influence on Hezbollah, but with delivering the goods they have the say on when to use and how to use them like the US can restrict Ukraine. Nukes are not for use, they are to build the status quo of I have them so do not dare to attack me else I nuke you.

I say the same-They will not use them against their enemies, what I think they will, is to use them as some kind of blackmail against their enemies.

Markus

Skybird 09-28-24 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2927751)
Like Hamas is not defeated, Hezbollah will survive this.

True, but: you can very crushingly reduce their weapons stockpile, namely their missiles and rockets arsenals. A toothless dog is just a balking but not a biting dog, it costs you some sleep at night, but not your life.

And killing the communication infrastructure and the experience pool by taking out their competent and experienced leaders buys time and hinders the enemy to regroup soon. It also disrupts interactions between and trust of several different hostile actors cooperating.

Finally, the Israelis rebuild their reputation which had suffered a bit after the Mossad was surprised completely on the wrong leg.

Dargo 09-28-24 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2927763)
True, but: you can very crushingly reduce their weapons stockpile, namely their missiles and rockets arsenals. A toothless dog is just a balking but not a biting dog, it costs you some sleep at night, but not your life.

And killing the communication infrastructure and the experience pool by taking out their competent and experienced leaders buys time and hinders the enemy to regroup soon. It also disrupts interactions between and trust of several different hostile actors cooperating.

Finally, the Israelis rebuild their reputation which had suffered a bit after the Mossad was surprised completely on the wrong leg.

Israeli sources suggest Hashem Safieddine, the former number 2 of Hezbollah, head of the group's Executive Council and Nasrallah's cousin, has already started taking control of the group, and even planning a response through attack against cities in Israel. He will be formally named as the leader of Hezbollah after a meeting of the group's Shura council. Does not matter Israel kill him too as there are many in line to replace with same experience you can try to behead Hezbollah, but it is a hydra. And the communication infrastructure is not destroyed the old fashion ways are default backups the cells know how they need to operate they are trained for years they only need a pigeon go ahead.

Dargo 09-28-24 04:31 PM

Iranian Officials state that a Group of Officers and Commanders with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRCG), including Brigadier General Abbas Nilforoushan, the Deputy Commander of Operations for the IRGC as well as the Acting Commander of Quds Force Operations in Syria and Lebanon; were all killed in yesterday’s Israeli Strike on Hezbollah’s Central Command Bunker in Beirut.

mapuc 09-28-24 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dargo (Post 2927799)
Iranian Officials state that a Group of Officers and Commanders with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRCG), including Brigadier General Abbas Nilforoushan, the Deputy Commander of Operations for the IRGC as well as the Acting Commander of Quds Force Operations in Syria and Lebanon; were all killed in yesterday’s Israeli Strike on Hezbollah’s Central Command Bunker in Beirut.

Seems like the Israeli got more than a jackpot yesterday.

Markus

Dargo 09-28-24 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2927801)
Seems like the Israeli got more than a jackpot yesterday.

Markus

Right now, Hezbollah is hanging groggy in the ropes, perhaps it is enough that they finally choose eggs for their money. By taking out leaders and destroying hundreds of launch facilities and ammunition caches, you take out military capability. And you hand out a warning: if you attack us, you get a huge slap on the wrist. The killing of Nasrallah is undeniably a major military victory, but not necessarily a political one. So the battle is far from over, Israel will continue with airstrikes to take out long-range missiles. And perhaps a ground operation (US officials have seen Israeli military posture changes on Lebanon border), to destroy Hezbollah's infrastructure in southern Lebanon and then withdraw. It's just not necessarily necessary. Crucial to ending the war is what happened last week: the flight of hundreds of thousands of residents from southern Lebanon and other Shiite regions of the country. Israel can now say: if our sixty thousand displaced from northern Israel cannot return, neither can your people. That is an important lever, but if there is no constructive, regional solution, everything could just look different for Israel in a few months. Israel Has Called Iran’s Bluff

Dargo 09-28-24 06:50 PM

Deaths and injuries among members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard militia after aircraft's targeting one of their sites on the outskirts of Deir Ezzor military airport (450 km to the northeast of the capital Damascus) and on the positions of the Popular Mobilization Forces militia near the Syrian-Iraqi border. Fatemiyoun Militia Evacuates Headquarters in Deir Ezzor.

mapuc 09-29-24 05:53 AM

IDF say they got an another high ranked person in the Hezbollah. It's
Nabil Kaouk.

Markus

Exocet25fr 09-29-24 06:01 AM

Nabil Kaouk is killed today........!

Shadowblade 09-29-24 06:29 AM

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The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) have announced the elimination of Nabil Kauk, a member of the central council of the Shiite party Hezbollah

good job, IDF :up:

mapuc 09-29-24 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadowblade (Post 2927826)
good job, IDF :up:

With thanks from Mossad and some insider in Lebanon.

I've been told that there are people in Lebanon who don't like Hezbollah. Can't remember how many in percentage who dislike them.

Markus


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