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clayton 02-24-22 12:14 PM
We don't cave to a gas station run by a bully in a country with an economy the size of Argentina. If we don't stop him now, that strengthens the hand of every 2-bit thug who thinks he can reshape the map. Thugs!

mapuc 02-24-22 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal (Post 2795184)

The propaganda from Putin and his state run media that Ukraine is brimming with Nazis, that's just to fantastical too believe. Of course, in the US there are millions of crazies who think we are boiling over with racisms, so I can see how the unreal is considered fact.

When I was a young man, I had a philosophy: never get into a fight you cannot win. Just don't.
As I have said before there are Danes who openly believe that the crisis well it's war now is a fake story made up by our Western politics and supported by our press this to keep us in fear as they did in two years with Corona.

I just shake my heard when I see a Dane post this on FB or Twitter.

I believe strongly that there is a war going on in Ukraine.

Markus

Aktungbby 02-24-22 12:19 PM
Welcome back!
 
Susexx!:Kaleun_Salute: & Kranz!:Kaleun_Salute: Nuthin' like a little post-Soviet Bloc contretempts to bring U guys to the surface since 2019:up: Putin has given up the staged attack alibi (ca.1939 Poland) for an American-style 'police-peacekeeping' scenario(Korea &'Nam)...:hmmm:JEEZE! just so he can wear his good-guy 'white hat' propagandwise...the real trick now is for all parties to keep this from blowing up into a 1914 Sarajevo-style trigger to WWIII; no IMHO about it. It noteworthy that, like Stalin moving troops from the Japanese Mongolian front in WWII, Putin, now in cahoots with premier Xi, has re-deployed troops from the Russo-Sino front to the Ukrainian front...proof he's stretching thin to pull this military gambit off, including threatening the West with "retaliations never seen before' if they aßist Ukraine.

mapuc 02-24-22 12:22 PM
Copied from twitter

"Ukraine’s ambassador to the US just told us that a Russian platoon from the 74th Motorized Brigade has surrendered to Ukraine’s forces. She says that the Russian troops apparently had been unaware they were being sent to kill Ukrainians.
No confirmation yet from Russia’s military"

"A whole platoon of Russian occupants surrendered to Ukrainian forces near Chernihiv in northern Ukraine, Ukraine army commander in chief reports. 'No one thought we were going to kill. We thought we were going to gather information', Russian officer reportedly said"

Good news if true The Russian does not have an easy way to take Ukraine-Which also could be a bad thing-Depending on how eager Putin is to take Ukraine and install a pro Russian government.

Markus

Andreas86 02-24-22 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2795188)
As I have said before there are Danes who openly believe that the crisis well it's war now is a fake story made up by our Western politics and supported by our press this to keep us in fear as they did in two years with Corona.

I just shake my heard when I see a Dane post this on FB og Twitter.

I believe strongly that there is a war going on in Ukraine.

Markus

Beyond doubt. At the same time one should not underestimate the effect and usefulness of fear as a tool for any government. Any outside threat can be used to lead the populations attention away from internal problems and affairs.


Edit: And to implement laws and policies that otherwise would not have been possible. Just look at the US after 9/11.

Armistead 02-24-22 12:46 PM
Guess Trump was right.. https://www.facebook.com/Crenshawfor...41823864831692

clayton 02-24-22 01:00 PM
Trump belongs in jail for treason, the orange clown.

Andreas86 02-24-22 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 2795192)

Stoltenberg looking extremely indignated of course, as Trump stood politically for much of what Stoltenbergs former political opponents in Norway did.

Andreas86 02-24-22 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by clayton (Post 2795194)
Trump belongs in jail for treason, the orange clown.

And Biden in a nursing home.

Armistead 02-24-22 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal (Post 2795184)
I do not have any hard feelings to any Russian or Ukrainian SUBSIM members here. We can all discuss this if we don't make it personal.

Yeah, this is a sad day for Russians, Ukrainians, Europe and America and Canada. I can understand the Russian mentality and fear of having NATO right on their border. This could have been avoided if the US and NATO partners had listened to Russia's concerns. I don't think that extends to retracting membership away from Poland and the Baltic states but entertaining the idea of Ukraine stepping under the NATO umbrella was obviously too much. So, now the very thing that NATO membership for Ukraine sought to stave off is becoming reality.

The propaganda from Putin and his state run media that Ukraine is brimming with Nazis, that's just to fantastical too believe. Of course, in the US there are millions of crazies who think we are boiling over with racisms, so I can see how the unreal is considered fact.

When I was a young man, I had a philosophy: never get into a fight you cannot win. Just don't.

I think this was semantics, Russia had a long list of demands to be met in their proposal, including not allowing Ukraine in NATO. Had we given in to that one demand I don't think it would've stopped this long term plan of taking Ukraine, they would've just reverted back to all the other claims unmet.

clayton 02-24-22 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Andreas86 (Post 2795196)
And Biden in a nursing home.
Visiting hours are kinda tricky when you're visiting someone in jail. Nursing homes on the other hand, the staff’s nicer.

mapuc 02-24-22 01:17 PM
If I remember it correctly Russia had also a demand that NATO should leave Eastern Europe- A Demand NATO couldn't agree on.


Edit
What tool do we have to fight Russia

Sanctions-How much does these affect the Russian economy ?
Blockade-Impossible for a country of this size
Economical blockade-A possibility but it also backfire.
Preemptive strike-Strike Russia were it hurt most-NO such thing-War shall be the last thing ever.
End edit

Markus

Andreas86 02-24-22 01:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by clayton (Post 2795198)
Visiting hours are kinda tricky when you're visiting someone in jail. Nursing homes on the other hand, the staff’s nicer.

Actually in my country, it is the other way around. Criminals from all over Europe makes a pilgrimage here for that very reason.

Andreas86 02-24-22 01:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2795199)
If I remember it correctly Russia had also a demand that NATO should leave Eastern Europe- A Demand NATO couldn't agree on.


Edit
What tool do we have to fight Russia

Sanctions-How much does these affect the Russian economy ?
Blockade-Impossible for a country of this size
Economical blockade-A possibility but it also backfire.
Preemptive strike-Strike Russia were it hurt most-NO such thing-War shall be the last thing ever.
End edit

Markus

I wonder how Russia will respond to coming sanctions, maybe a cyber strike on Europe? They say they will reply to sanctions with "the same coin"..

clayton 02-24-22 01:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andreas86 (Post 2795201)
Actually in my country, it is the other way around. Criminals from all over Europe makes a pilgrimage here for that very reason.
You are Pro-Trump from another country? And what country is that?


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