according to those who also lie and deceive.

The government says it will boost the minimum wage by more than four times the rate of inflation and takes hourly pay for people over 25 to £8.72 from April.

I continue to believe it is not enough but a fine balance must be kept because businesses warned that a sharp increase in wages would put pressure on companies and urged the government to reduce costs elsewhere for firms.

Had to post this...

I just had a bloody good laugh at a panel member on Sky News making his prediction on the labour party. He said if Rebecca Long-Bailey wins the leadership around 102 labour MP's will break away and form a new centralist party. :har: :har:

Stupid prediction because they had their chance after their election defeat All hope died 48 hours later, the nameless one and its gang of followers ran by that vile organisation is still here.

https://i.postimg.cc/jSSVK95d/Leader...-Gov010120.jpg

There are still only two declared runners (Lewis and Thornberry), but more are expected to officially enter the race in the coming weeks.

Not just the next leader but also those like Thornberry, Phillips, Long Bailey and Starmer et al who are still sitting at the top table.

No matter which one you ask the answer will eventually be that only they only lost because we are a inherently small minded, nationalist, stupid, contempable, backward nation of plebs easily decieved by Murdoch, Boris and Farrage etc, and if we had half a brain, we would hate ourselves and feel ashamed of almost every aspect of our nation & culture and embrace the moral superiority of our internationalist preachy middle class saviors who really know best because they read some Marx once. (and absolutey nothing else in Corbyns case)
I think that is the only answer they have, they have spent a good 10 years painting themselves in to that particular corner,
I'm not sure they can dress it up as something else now.

Honestly if I was a die hard Corbynista and truley had the strength of my convictions - that Boris and Brexit was a garrenteed socio/economic apocalypes in the making, I would just sit back quietly and wait for that exponetial 'i told you so moment' when it all crashes and burns (which for we know it still might) then snap up all the yummy backlash support. Far more dignified than hissing & spitting like a cat let out of a bag.

And how on earth can they not see that wealthy MP's claiming to be 'la resistance' and calling each other 'comrade' its so god damn cringey and pretentious. I mean, cringey enough to make people vote overwhelmingly for BORIS JOHNSON! Jesus Christ, the lack of self awareness on that is really amazing.

But, yes bottom line is, in politics -never bet against your own country and its people. rabid Anti-nationalism is no smarter than blind nationalism.

Agreed :yep: but it is going to be interesting to see how they go about it.

Ulitimately it comes down to the old British curse - class division.

The political leanings of the various groupings may change over time and what constitutes "class" also alters, but it's the still the same old problem at it's root.

I doubt that can be changed. Not without some serious social engineering, and, as a Scot(*), I have no great enthusiasm for that.

Mike.

(*)Scottish politicians of all colours have been terrible for indulging in it since at least the end of WW2, that's part of the reason why the so much of the Clyde Valley is such a kek hole. :doh: An unfortunate side effect of Scotland's Presbyterian religious tradition.

From what ive seen/heard, Starmer, Is the only one Ive heard that seems remotley willing to entertain the idea that finger pointing and doubling down might not be a a bright idea. And even usually outspoken Jess Philips seems to have (wisely) dialed the rhetroric down abit. I heard a speech by Long-Bailey and she sounds completley nuts, like she lives in an alternate reality (She's bascially Corbyn Mk2). Eu flag dress Thronberry is no better.
Not so sure about the others. might have a little read up on them.

Best explaination of it ive heard yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kf1YKeq7lA

^I have not listened to it all (its over one hour), but what I heard, when I free it of typically British details it sound slike a perfect description of the German SPD collapsing, and I could imagine that it is a valid explanation for the tradtional left parties collapsing across much of Europe. However, collapsing socialist parties die snot atumotically imply a collapse os socialist state reason.It only means that traditonally socialist themes get hijacked by others and then combined with these their own charactertistic themes, rendering outspoken socilaist parties useless, needless, pointless. In germany, with a Merkel party that was shifted so much to the left as Merkel did, an SPD simply is not needed anymore.


Also, the disgust for this pandemic spreading of political correctness and "new speech" does its thing to add to the turnign away from such madness.


The eU will feel the dent from this inctreasingly, making itself turning more centralistic and in an attempt even totalitarian in return. Then ther eis the rift between eastern and the rest of Europe, and the confrontaiton between lenders and leasers, net payers and net receivers in the Esperanto currency union.

The way I'm currently seeing things is that all candidates are treading water until the unions and Momentum make their positions known publicly. The cancer from within is still there.

Some posts back I believe I said Starmer was the most probable successor and I still believe that but so much depends on the block votes of the unions and the 10% of total membership numbers of Momentum.

Pretty much as it was for the previous leadership election. Anything to make a fast buck :nope:

Determined not to learn from the recent defeat, she is the closest to being a clone of Corbyn amongst the six contenders.