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AVGWarhawk 08-13-24 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal (Post 2921969)
"Good vs Evil"? That sounds like delusional thinking. More like "Inept vs ego-driver" would be more accurate. Yeah, I understand ppl not liking Trump but when they tout the Dems as "good", they lose me. Your party has been lying and gaslighting the people of this country for 10 years, mate. No excusing that.

And with the failure to enforce our borders, it's like you declared war on America.

Thank both the media and Democratic machine in DC. The border issue is declaring war on America, it is also permitting voting of millions of undocumented/illegals. No voter ID required brought to you by Joe Biden.

Buddahaid 08-13-24 12:10 PM

And yet the border bill was killed by MAGA on Trump’s orders. Seems like having a border problem is more important than having a solution. The GOP has no moral high ground in that fight.

AVGWarhawk 08-13-24 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2921974)
And yet the border bill was killed by MAGA on Trump’s orders. Seems like having a border problem is more important than having a solution. The GOP has no moral high ground in that fight.

To which the border issue fact finding, assessment and solution was placed squarely on Harris shoulders. She went to the border once to show face. Her recommendation(and can assure you was not hers because she does not think much beyond getting a new pair of shoes) is to pour billions into SA infrastructure making it a paradise where people would not want to leave for the USA. Damn bizarre.

Buddahaid 08-13-24 12:32 PM

Your misogyny is showing.

AVGWarhawk 08-13-24 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2921977)
Your misogyny is showing.

Typical response when it is not going your way. No, my not doing your job is showing. She DID NOT do her job. It is a undeniable fact.

Onkel Neal 08-13-24 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2921974)
And yet the border bill was killed by MAGA on Trump’s orders. Seems like having a border problem is more important than having a solution. The GOP has no moral high ground in that fight.


Go ahead and describe why "MAGA" killed the border bill. No? As expected of the left, you would rather claim a falsehood. Where's your moral high ground?
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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...from-democrats

The Senate bill would have done little to improve border security or reduce illegal immigration into the United States. There’s good reason to believe, even, that it would have increased illegal immigration across the southern border.

The most important point to understand is that the Senate bill did not even attempt to address the known pull factors for illegal immigration across the southern border. These pull factors include, principally, the near-guarantee of release into the United States after apprehension by a U.S. Customs and Border Patrol (CBP) officer.

Migrants can expect a near-guarantee of release for a few reasons. Primarily, an almost 30-year-old court settlement prohibits the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) from detaining migrants who arrive to the United States with a child, or as a family unit, for more than 20 days. At the time the settlement was issued 20 days could be reasonably expected to complete immigration proceedings for illegal border-crossers. Given today’s immigration court backlogs, however, it is nearly impossible to provide a final decision on an alien’s immigration case in 20 days.

What Would the Senate Bill Have Done, Then? Well, first, it would have given a lot of money to DHS and NGOs to process migrants, i.e., further funding many of the institutional problems that have allowed the crisis to grow to the scale it has.

Second, it would have allowed DHS to remove ICE and immigration judges from the asylum process altogether by requiring USCIS asylum officers (who typically only screen migrants for credible fear cases, not make final decisions on their cases) to release migrants from detention and allowed them to make final decisions on those cases. It would have also provided additional funding to the USCIS asylum division to do so because the asylum division is already underwater and experiencing historic backlogs. (Sources from USCIS tell me that the affirmative asylum backlog (i.e., asylum cases that are not filed as a defense to removal, but often by aliens who already have lawful immigration statuses) alone has already exceeded one million cases, for the first time ever. That means that an applicant who files an affirmative asylum application today may not receive a decision on their case for as long as a decade.)

Asylum officers have meaningful incentives to rubberstamp asylum applications. Moreover, asylum officers are not required to have law degrees (many, in fact, do not), but will be asked to make complex and final legal decisions that cannot be appealed by an ICE attorney if an application is erroneously granted.

Third, the Senate bill tried to spend another $1.29 billion on the flawed Alternatives to Detention (ATD) program and provide nearly $7 billion in funding to NGOs and state or local governments to provide housing, transportation, medical care, and other services to migrants, and even foreign governments. In short, the bill would have expanded what we sometimes call the “illegal immigration industrial complex.”

Nothing about this is border security. Rather, it was designed to streamline illegal immigration and obscure the crisis from American voters.

House Republicans were right to declare last month that the bill would be “dead upon arrival”. They didn’t need Donald Trump to tell them to kill it.

Buddahaid 08-13-24 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2921978)
Typical response when it is not going your way. No, my not doing your job is showing. She DID NOT do her job. It is a undeniable fact.

I'm fine with the way it's going, are you?

AVGWarhawk 08-13-24 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2921985)
I'm fine with the way it's going, are you?

No sir. I'm not sure if you have kids. Mine are struggling. It was not that way 4 years ago. What happened? Yes, Might Joe Young and his executive orders pen and VP Giggles who was really the sleepy one.

mapuc 08-13-24 02:36 PM

Makes one wonder

How would Trump have handle this immigration crisis-If he had been elected ?

There wouldn't be any crisis-You may say. On the contrary this immigration crisis would happened whoever had been your President.

The question would instead be-Who would have handled the situation best ?

Markus

AVGWarhawk 08-13-24 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2921988)
Makes one wonder

How would Trump have handle this immigration crisis-If he had been elected ?

There wouldn't be any crisis-You may say. On the contrary this immigration crisis would happened whoever had been your President.

The question would instead be-Who would have handled the situation best ?

Markus

Build a wall. :Kaleun_Wink:

Buddahaid 08-13-24 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2921988)
Makes one wonder

How would Trump have handle this immigration crisis-If he had been elected ?

There wouldn't be any crisis-You may say. On the contrary this immigration crisis would happened whoever had been your President.

The question would instead be-Who would have handled the situation best ?

Markus

His plan is mass deportation without due process. It will be stopped in the courts as illegal and become another Trump failure.

Buddahaid 08-13-24 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 2921986)
No sir. I'm not sure if you have kids. Mine are struggling. It was not that way 4 years ago. What happened? Yes, Might Joe Young and his executive orders pen and VP Giggles who was really the sleepy one.

Funny, I struggled for years as a young adult in the seventies. Maybe that's just life?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...d=BingNewsSerp

Dargo 08-13-24 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2921991)
His plan is mass deportation without due process. It will be stopped in the courts as illegal and become another Trump failure.

We see this in general all those politicians say "we gone fix your problems vote for us" those problems never get fixed because what they want is usually against law or constitution.

So inevitable, another lie
Another reason to justify tearing it down
Honesty, such a novelty
So we king ourselves with a plastic crown
Casualty of a daydream nation
Close acquaintance, no relation
Search and destroy
Dignity we left laying along the way
To everyone's dismay
Predictable cliché
Kindred enemies

So unavoidable, another fight
Sell the ticket and crash the ride, burn it down
A legacy of brutality
So caught up in the process of weeding out
The chopping block starving for a neck
Pointing fingers and stabbing backs
Never question conformity
The big takeover underway
Much to our dismay
A lucrative display
Perpetual decay
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Left to destroy themselves yet somehow still alive
Battling for the best position
Posturing for recognition
The best days thrown away
In an age of quarrel
Butcher the memories

The walking dead
Living a lie
Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

AVGWarhawk 08-13-24 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2921991)
His plan is mass deportation without due process. It will be stopped in the courts as illegal and become another Trump failure.

Mass deportation will never happen. Be real. It is just a good sound bite for Trump.

August 08-13-24 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2921994)
Funny, I struggled for years as a young adult in the seventies. Maybe that's just life?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...d=BingNewsSerp




Or the feckless policies of the Demoncrat Carter administration.


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