Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2461912)

Well, they used them a lot as mercenaries mainly. Most of the Roman army was made up of mercenaries from all over the 'barbarian' lands, mainly Germanic. In regards to the fall of Rome, the attacks by the Visigoths and Vandals were only one part of the collapse of a system which had been failing for centuries, I mean how many times were there major disagreements (aka civil wars) over who was going to be the next Emperor? I mean, that's after you get the Diocletian split.

I guess one could argue that we're heading into a Toynbeean process of decay, certainly when you read on wikipedia the following paragraphs:

I can certainly see Archaism, Futurism, Detachment in the world today, although not a lot of Transcendence, because as it stands I don't think anyone has any answers that are going to not end in a whole lot of bloodshed, and with the weapons that we have made for ourselves I don't know if humanity can survive descending into that level of violence.

Originally Posted by MaDef (Post 2461914)

They base their conclusion on Post hoc ergo propter hoc reasoning. law '141' covers the prohibition of entry to the US if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by "force, violence, or other unconstitutional means. you can find the 'relevant'
part of the law in Chap. 2 sect.212

Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2461917)

I'm pretty sure it wasn't Islam your former politicians had in mind when they wrote this law "141" I'm sure they were thinking - Communism.

Markus

Originally Posted by MaDef (Post 2461918)

no it wasn't, but if you can stretch/twist the meaning of the law far enough you can probably get the girl scouts banned in the U.S.

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2461851)

One foray in 1904 hardly makes for 'over 200 years'...

Not a slur on the USMC, just pointing it out.

Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2461916)

Oberon, I was talking about that one where the Rome was sieged.

-makes a troll face-
Well, maybe Europe has been going through decay for the past 50 years (with loss of the colonial empires)? Would certainly be consistent with invitation of barbarians.

Originally Posted by yubba (Post 2461921)

and you say you'r a historian..that would be 2 forays, just pointing it out,, mate.

https://www.gilderlehrman.org/histor...nd-faced-down-

Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2461899)

That sort of thing happens here Neal, so I take it like the UK the Saudi's are buying military goods. :hmmm:

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal (Post 2461934)

Yeah, just so. If Trump was really serious, SA would have been at the top of the list. Just as I suspected, he's a wimp.

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2461939)

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...witter.png?v=1


:03:

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2461945)

One thing that's slipped off the radar while this whole ban thing is going on is the shake-up of the National Security Council, with Steven Bannon being inserted in and the Director of National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff being removed, and it's going to be headed up by Mike Flynn...so it's probably just as well that the DNI is excluded because last I checked Flynn was still under investigation for his communications with Russian officials.
It's...well, it's certainly something to watch, and it's only been a week. :hmmm:

Originally Posted by August (Post 2461950)

47 muslim majority nations in the world. Trump temporarily freezes immigration from just 7 of these countries that are either torn apart by jihadist violence or under the control of hostile, jihadist governments.

Yet to the Democrats and their media lapdogs its: "OMG he's banning Muslims"! "He's a racist"!!!