I am more a Walther PP fan.

Eventually, I bought a PPK and like the others, was less impressed. The PP is, in my opinion, equally concealable, but more accurate and with a better grip for stability.

I love my 7.65 PP. That is a nice shooting gun. :up:

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.47010....1&H=120&W=160

This is where we get the phrase "just because you can, doesn't mean you should." What an embarrassing jackass.

I certainly wouldn't feel too happy if I'd had a kid at that school....lawful or not.

7.65 Walther PP was in the Swedish police late eighties, only to be replaced by SIG SAUER.

Reminds me of that dumb soccermom who became the darling of gun nut weekly for a while.
I hope he doesn't meet the same fate she did.

Governor of Alaska?

Nice one:har:

But it was this one
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,562102,00.html

LOL :hmmm:

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...sisters-3-days

...would not have happened if the victims would have been armed too. Self protection and all that...

Well, I think we all here agree on one thing, no matter on what 'side' one is: Guns and kids don't match :down:

That is too simplistic. I earned my Boy Scout Rifle Shooting merit badge at age 11 and I managed not to shoot anyone. Neither have millions of other Scouts before and since.

The real cause of those tragedies is unsupervised children left around unsupervised weapons that have not been made safe. A failure of the parents.

Failure to clear a firearm of ammo after leaving the range or the woods.
Failure to employ a device like a trigger lock or a chamber blocker.
Failure to secure the firearm where kids can't get at it .

With freedom comes responsibility and the adults who shirked their responsibility should be punished, more.

An object that can kill as easily as a gun does, does not belong in kids hands.

A perfectly fine attitude to take,... with your own kids.

Making such judgements for others however is another matter completely.

But when you do all that you are defenceless when it comes to rapidly reacting to the ever lurking home invaders.

While I am a big proponent for our constitutional rights, I have never been a big fan of Open Carry, and you've pretty much taken the words right out of my mouth because that's how I feel about open carry. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. I understand what people who are open carrying are trying to achieve, because a person who is active in shooting sports, hunting, and firearms in general, yes, seeing someone carrying a firearm is quite normal. But for people not engaged in shooting sports, hunting, etc, it is anything but normal, if not alarming. So I don't think it's getting the results they think it does. I think the effect is quite the opposite by making gun owners look like fringe elements of society.


Still though, seeing someone carrying a firearm while in a department store or what not, is not normal regardless if your a gun owner or not. There is a place for open carry. Hiking perhaps, on a ranch, camping, outdoor recreational activities where your not near any major population center. Guns are often thought of as tools. As such, one does not go walking into a department store carrying a skillsaw, or wearing a tool belt and hard hat. You usually carry those things when your on a job site......





In my opinion, teaching your child about firearms is set in stages. The mistake I think some parents are making is they are going straight to the .22 long rifle, and skipping the BB or Pellet gun.

You start with an air rifle like a BB gun at say.... an age of 9 or 10 at the VERY earliest if not a few years or older (my opinion). They learn the basics and ingrain habits and such with that. When the child has shown maturity, and competency, THEN you progress to the .22 LR, or .410 shotgun.

There's probably far too many people out there who do not understand nor respect the .22LR It's the smallest and cheapest caliber of ammunition on the market. It looks weak, like something you'd see an an old time carnival shooting gallery. However the .22 in reality, is can be quite a deadly round, as it is my understanding that once it enters a body, it can bounce around, thereby causing more damage to internal organs. For a point of comparison, the bullets that come out of the much debated AR-15, are .22 caliber in diameter.

TLDR version: Parental responsibility. Start your kid with an F'ing BB gun. It's a matter of proper training. IMO parent's who's kids accidently shot someone is a reflection upon poor choices made by the parent, and the poor training they provided to their child.