Were they created with the official SDK from UBIsoft or are they merely modifications/edits/hacks to what was in the original game?

No, I can only say so much.
But, since you insinuate this stuff can be had for free, please point me to the free Italian cruisers, the free career you run in 23rd Flotilla out of Salamis or the one out of Constantza in the Black Sea in Type II boats.
Please show me the free US and Canadian cruiser download and dozen of ships I can not find.

I do not believe many of the dozens of members here will buy this and they don't care. Their first small mediocre add on sold out. This one is huge by comparison and will be a very successful everywhere but this forum.

I don’t advise them to get a free game. I offered my advise to UBI for free and have been ignored. Result, many historic inaccuracies that could have been avoided. Can they get this advise elsewhere. Well, it historic reference but they missed a lot at UBI so someone screwed up. I told X-1 the same thing. Tell me what you are doing and I will let you know (if I actually do know) if it is correct. I have studied naval history since the early 1960’s. So have many others. Apparently not at UBI. It s easier to advise before than fix later and I run a patrol every day, bar none. The better the game at release, the less I have to correct. That is my motivation. I prefer to advice in a constructible manner while others prefer the flame thread riot approach.

Neal sent me (like I am sure everyone here got) the new Tank sim. Link. I clicked over and it looks very cool and I will likely buy it. I noticed another Tank sim and a paid add on to it. Then I noticed on that paid add on they also included the freeware mods by the community at no extra charge.
Interesting.

What a difference a forum makes

Wulfmann

Why do you defend them so? Are they paying you to solicit on this forum and try to persuade us to buy from them? If that's the case, then you are pissin in the wind my friend, cause you can talk to the hand cause the face don't want to hear it!

Isn't that against forum policy? Soliciting without offical approval on Neal's website?

Who is Wulfmann anyways? Always thought the one from the Top Gun movie was kind of a pansy BrokeBack Mountain gay boy!

Wulfmann, don't you have better things to do? Like hand out rainbow pride stickers to get support for your kind or is X1 paying you with gerbals?

I have been playing SH3 for tens months. Just now I was attacking a small convoy in the beta Seawolves med. I called in air support and got into a shoot out with the escorts a Destroyer and 2 of those new Frigates (Sloops) The Luftwaffe arrived and sank a troop ship and a small tanker and one Ju88 that was shot down crashed into the Frigate about 200 yards from my peri view. Very cool. I sank the destroyer and a merchant but took some DCes in the stern area causing major (red) flooding in three compartments and destroying half my batteries and one electric engine. The boat started plunging so I blew ballast three times went to flank forward (2Kts with all the damage) and crept my way back from 180 meters.
One Frigate was still after me as by now the convoy was clear with one Frigate staying with the merchant ships.
I had no choice, I had to surface.
I fired 2 fish but the range was too close. I went to the deck gun in desperation but these sloops have three gun positions so I went back to lining up the last 2 fish for a 90% angle shot but his last broadside was too much, he nailed me good and U-83 went down.
This was the best struggle I have ever had in SH3 of this type. It was an hour of constant fighting to save the boat after the first damage.
I have had many new unique experiences with this add on that I never had before and many new ships and effects have really made this a different game in many ways.
Even setting up to attack a convoy after dusk and realizing at the last minute it was a friendly convoy taking supplies to Rommel with a cruiser escort (above screen) was a new experience.
However, sharing these things and hoping the thousands that buy this add on might wish to come to a friendly forum and learn from some knowledgeable people and enlarge our community seems like an unwelcome thought.
Perhaps it is better that Seawolves buyers go to another site where they will not be attacked for enjoying an add on.
I can check with other sites and have them add a SH3 forum where these people can go and not contaminate the elitist crowd that should not condescend to anyone that enjoys Seawolves.
It is surely beneath you.
I am surprised the moderators have not banned me for enjoying Seawolves and sharing what I believe will add to the enjoyment on SH3 players.
I have a Seawolves and regular version on my bigger PC as they are unique enough to want both.
You are correct Seaserpent in that I should not assume small minded hate group supporters that are homophobic and can only debate a position by name calling and low mentality remarks could even consider an alternative to their way or the highway.

While I am not gay (I have had 4 children and have 6 grandchildren) I have no problem with any such group and assure any that may be gay the majority of people here are not infantile homophobic disrespectful children such as Subserpent. This usually indicates a hidden attraction but I think his remarks speak for themselves.

How about others? Do you think mentioning Seawolves in anything but trashing the add-on should be forbidden on this forum?
Do you want to completely ignore the upgrades or hearing about them at all?
Out of site, out of mind?
I get nothing for sharing my experience and since I do not work for them I feel like a neutral observer that can offer update notifications as well as help after it is released. I can stop posting completely on this subject and if this forum prefers that for the sake of peace I respectfully ask any moderator to make the request and it will happen. Then when a new person comes on and ask you can go back to your hate crusade and those people can learn they are not welcome here.

Wulfmann

:zzz:

Eh?

I'm certainly never buying another UBI product again. Screw that.

How sad.

That still tells you nothing. You don't know the quantity of copies available. It's easy to have only a few on hand so you can 'sell out' or maybe it's so unpopular it's simply not in stock often.

You can draw any conclusion you want without numbers to back them up.

Funny, that.

Exactly my point. You have some vested interest in the success of the latest release by these scam artists. Anything you say is hardly objective.

What weak argument? Your words are based purely on smoke screen.

It was clearly proven the original SeaWolves contained mods that were used without the consent of the authors. That is _fact_. Period.

As you did then, you _continue_ to condon this behavior openly. Given your obvious stake in this most recent 'product', I am not at all surprised you're a CP shill.

For the longest time I couldn't tell if you were merely hopelessly misguided or a shill.

The jury is finally in.

<No name-calling!!! - Gizzmoe>

:lol:

It goes beyond that. The tools behind SeaWolves have a _history_ of using mods without permission for other games as well. There is a long, proven track record of deception here. Period.

Bottom line -- do you want to purchase from a known community ripoff operation or not?

Obviously Wulfy thinks you should, but then he clearly has a vested interest in copies selling... and he claims you do too by making a logically fallacious argument that anything that improves visibility of the original SH3 is somehow good for the community as a whole. Hardly so.

Wow. I hadn't seen that. That's a shame they ripped him off, too.

I didn't know anyone noticed I was gone.

It's a shame upon my return the same tired old threads are still being argued by the usual suspect.

In either case, the truth is here for anyone that cares to look.

:know:

And I appreciated the suggestion and still do.

Did CP 'borrow' my mod as well which is the work of myself and all those I listed in the README along with other suggestions from members of the SubSim community?

It would sadden me greatly.

:-?

He's been doing this for... gosh... Nearly a year now.

And it surprised me so to see he's still hanging around here pimping CP and X1.

Could be he's retired with way too much free time.

Who knows.

:roll:

You can post on this subject as much as you want.

My final words before I close this thread... The general tone in this thread is totally unacceptable. Do not attack people and do not respond to attacks with yet another attack. Some of you guys are now on my watch list. One more personal attack/name-calling and you´ll get a warning. Any violation after that will get you suspended for 7 days.