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Aktungbby 07-03-18 03:22 PM

THAT'S really MINNESOTA NICE
 
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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2559756)
Tonight is Englands turn. Time to find out if we are worthy contenders or simply making the numbers up.

ENGLAND OWES ITS SUCCESS TO GARETH SOUTHGATE, THE BRIT COACHE'S TRIP TO WATCH THE MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES:Kaleun_Applaud:...VS THE SAN ANTONIO SPURS:k_confused: ; THE RESULT HAS BEEN SPECTACULR:
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Originally Posted by 2DAY'SWSJ
HOW ENGLAND STOLE FROM THE NBA: SAMARA, Russia—It was the night before the Super Bowl, and sitting courtside at the New Orleans Pelicans vs. Minnesota Timberwolves game was a man who had traveled all the way from England with his mind intensely focused on another global sports event: the World Cup.
There has never been anyone more interested in a Pelicans vs. Timberwolves matchup than England manager Gareth Southgate.
Southgate bombarded his companions with detailed inquiries about strategy, arena operations and even Crunch, the wolf mascot. Chris Wright, the chief executive of the local MLS team Minnesota United, was stunned by his curiosity about this sport that’s about as British as sauerkraut.
“Here’s this English guy, the England team manager, trying to figure out Basketball 101,” Wright said.
But these are strange days for England. They have emerged as a serious contender at the World Cup. They lucked into the weaker half of the knockout bracket. They play Colombia on Tuesday for a spot in the quarterfinals. And they can attribute some of their unlikely success in soccer to basketball.
Wright was delighted when the Football Association contacted him before Southgate’s visit to the Super Bowl in Minnesota. He is English himself, which is why he wasn’t expecting this request from the manager: “Is there any way we can go to the Wolves game?”
There was a reason that he was so eager for this outing, and it wasn’t Crunch. On the ride to the arena, Southgate told colleagues that he was especially curious about how NBA teams created space around the basket. He thought there might be something he could steal.
Was there any way he could apply the principles of NBA plays—the pick-and-rolls, the off-ball screens, the constant movement—to the English national soccer team?
There are precious few moments in every soccer match when a manager can actually choreograph the action by designing a play. They’re called set pieces, and for many years, they were better known in England as a bloody disaster.
All of which makes England’s set pieces at this World Cup nothing short of a national miracle.
Their six goals on set plays were the most of any country in the group stage. But there’s a better comparison than England vs. the world: England vs. England. They have scored four goals on corners and free kicks so far. They scored four goals on corners and free kicks in the previous three World Cups combined.
“On set plays, we’re a real threat,” Southgate said. “We’ve identified that as a key area in tournaments and a key area we felt we could improve on.”
England’s ineptitude on set plays before Southgate’s hiring in 2016 was a bigger national drama than Brexit.
At the time, England star Harry Kane took their corners and free kicks, one of the many questionable tactical decisions that eventually cost Roy Hodgson his job. That paved the way for the unproven Southgate, a retired player whose prior managing experience included a stint with the country’s youth team and three seasons with a middling English Premier League club that was relegated under his watch. Southgate was an improbable choice, and he was given the job only after Sam Allardyce was fired in disgrace.
Southgate now looks like the manager who might be able to solve England’s problem of face-planting in spectacular fashion at the worst possible time. His inventive schemes have benefited one player in particular: Harry Kane. In England’s opening World Cup win against Tunisia, Kane slammed home a header on a corner kick in the 91st minute to avoid an embarrassing draw. It was his second goal of that match: Kane had already scored on another corner kick.
But the clearest example of how England implements basketball strategies on their set plays was a corner kick during their 6-1 blowout of Panama in the group stage.
It started with Kieran Trippier’s bending corner. Once the ball was in the air, two English players cleared out the center of the box, almost like they were 3-point shooters flaring away from the basket. Meanwhile, at the top of the box, Ashley Young threw his body into the defender guarding John Stones long enough for Stones to get free in the middle of the box and head the cross for a goal.
It was a primitive basketball play: the back-screen. And it worked to perfection.
It’s not like Gareth Southgate invented the pick play in soccer. But even he said, through an England spokesman, that he was influenced by what he saw watching basketball. The people who sat next to him that night were not surprised.
“In areas where he was specifically interested,” Wright said, “he wanted to go deep.”
Southgate had already proven by this point that he was not afraid to seek out ideas in unorthodox places. He entrusted his assistant, Allan Russell, with England’s set pieces, for example, even though the last teams that Russell had coached were the Carolina RailHawks and Orange County Blues, minor-league clubs in the soccer hinterlands otherwise known as the United States.
Southgate is not the first soccer manager to study basketball for inspiration.
Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola, who happens to be the coach of the English Premier League champion and the most dominant team in global soccer at the moment, has long been intrigued by the NBA. He attended a Finals game in 2016 wearing a LeBron James uniform, and he has utterly befuddled English reporters by citing the Golden State Warriors in his press conferences.
(This being England, of course, Southgate watched not the Cavs or Warriors but the MINNESOTA Timberwolves :yeah:and Pelicans. Neither team has ever won an NBA championship.)
There’s an obvious similarity between a corner kick in soccer and the pick-and-roll in basketball. The whole point is to create enough vertical air space for a header or dunk. But what basketball plays and soccer set pieces really have in common—the reason that Guardiola paid careful attention to the NBA—is they are both an opportunity to seize a small advantage, said Philadelphia 76ers vice president Daniel Medina, who worked under Guardiola at FC Barcelona.
“He used to look at not only basketball, but other sports like handball and indoor football,” Medina said. “Similar collective ideas with different constraints can lead to different solutions.”
Which is why Southgate was so inquisitive at the Pelicans vs. Timberwolves game.
“He was the one asking questions all night,” said Ben Grossman, a Minnesota United minority owner.
Southgate had so many questions about how everything from how offenses create space to how defenses protect the basket that he stayed long after the game was over. Grossman realized when they finally left that Southgate was not at the NBA game simply to have a good time. He was there to work. “I know this is going to sound a little silly, but I actually left that night expecting England to do well in the World Cup;” he said. “You could just tell the way he went about his business that he was going to leave no stone unturned.”

THUS: THE OL' NBA PIC N' ROLL ON A SET PIECE SOCCER PLAY... https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/...0629115334.png
>https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/...0629115832.png>https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/...0629115643.png >https://images.wsj.net/im-16490?widt...pect_ratio=1.5COACH SOUTHGATE... I FOLLOW THESE PROCEDINGS WITH SOME INTEREST ...ENGLAND UBER ALLES!:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

Catfish 07-03-18 03:56 PM

England wins with penalty goals :D :up: The curse is broken.
At home they must be thinking "that i may live to see this" :haha:
Well done!

Cyborg322 07-04-18 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2559800)
England wins with penalty goals :D :up: The curse is broken.

Broken ! I'm broken after the first missed penalty and the last two mins of ET it was here we go again alas the show goes on along with my nervous twitch :Kaleun_Wink:

Jimbuna 07-04-18 06:04 AM

This is the second team England have played in this tournament that thinks play in the box changes the rules to that of a game of rugby.

I originally predicted we'd reach the quarter final stage so bring on Sweden next Saturday.

The climax of England's World Cup penalty shootout win over Colombia was watched by 23.6 million viewers on ITV, according to overnight figures.

More people tuned in between 21:50-21:55 BST on Tuesday than at any other time since the 2012 Olympic closing ceremony.

Cyborg322 07-04-18 06:10 AM

do they play Piggybacks in Rugby ? It was more like watching the Grand National

Skybird 07-04-18 06:19 AM

Da sind die Deutschen ein Mal nicht dabei, und schon werden die Tommies übermütig und tun, so als gehöre der Ball ihnen... :D


Not talking of the Colombian fans, but the team: I'm happy they got kicked out, I do not like them at all, they formed a strong basis of being antipathic to them with their arrogance and theatralic show-acting in second half. Disgusting.



The referee I read has a reputation in the US of being a lousy one, and he certainly served that reputation yesterday. Terrible performance by him. Worst referee performance I have seen at the tournament so far.



Congrats to England. It really is time for them to finally win something, finally. If not this time, when then?

Skybird 07-04-18 07:20 AM

Well, and this vitriolic German comment on Neymar's hidden, I mean: all to obvious acting talents, shall not be hidden from your eyes. He may or may not be a good football technician, but as a sportsman he is a terrible and most distateful disaster, even more so since it is not the first time he behaved like a rat. Disgusting. He should play in team Colombia, I think they deserve each other.

"Pray for Neymar" - German language, maybe Google Bot works. I laughed myself off the chair.

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/sport/fa.../22763558.html


Maybe I launch a petition for awarding Neymar this year's Oscars. All of them.

Jimbuna 07-04-18 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyborg322 (Post 2559853)
do they play Piggybacks in Rugby ? It was more like watching the Grand National

:haha:

Jimbuna 07-04-18 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2559857)


Not talking of the Colombian fans, but the team: I'm happy they got kicked out, I do not like them at all, they formed a strong basis of being antipathic to them with their arrogance and theatralic show-acting in second half. Disgusting.



The referee I read has a reputation in the US of being a lousy one, and he certainly served that reputation yesterday. Terrible performance by him. Worst referee performance I have seen at the tournament so far.


Couldn't agree more and I'd like to hear his excuse for giving a yellow card for a head butt when the laws of the game stipulate violent conduct is an automatic red :nope:

Skybird 07-04-18 10:48 AM

The DFB is a union of cowardly dilletantees. Much disconnection from reality, much eying of the money.

The promised new start looks like this: Joachim Löw continues. Team manager Bierhoff, who is the driving force behind the commercialisation of the team and its growing distance to fans and the latter's alienation, stays. Players who are not too old, will stay.

The trainer, whose overaged views, seen as untouchable, have caused this disaster, now shall be the one making all and everything new and fresh again.

Sorry, but that is absurd.

Bierhoff puzzled me even more few days ago, by stating that "the analysis of all parameters had shown that the German team were the best team of the tournament", and that "its failure is absolutely unexplainable". :o Should I cry or laugh about this bullcrap?

Those who have career plans and financial interests, all stay in power. The DFB still obey to Löw. That is the new beginning! The analysis of factors why the team failed - showed that "it was the best team", and that its failure "cannot be explained". Wrong analysis methods, I suspect. Wrong prioritizing of variables. It cannot be explained why the Germans made a bad joke of themselves? Oh, it can be explained, but the DFB does not want to hear it. Bierhoff does not want to hear it. And Löw does not want to hear it. Its about the Yogification of German football now being driven too far - while not beign superior anymore to what other national teams do. Some of the players who dissapointed most already, are said to be part of Löw's great new beginning. And the team manager dreams of further professionalising the team's relation to the fans. What that means, should be clear after the past years. The need to open your wallet even wider, while getting less in return.

I wrote early in this thread that there is a strange desinterest to be felt here in Germany, at the cup's beginning and after the end as well. Germans do not connect to this artificial product "Nationalmannschaft" anymore. Its a product from the political as well as commercial marketing lab by now. The identification value of its members tends to point towards nill. Which is seen as being politically most correct over here: there have been calls by Greens and Linke to break off small flags from cars and steal German symbols on display in gardens. Not as if there was much to steal and much to break anyway, as I said, the desinterest was immense, not much flag stuff on display anywhere anyway.

Nothing changes with this new beginning. The alienation between team and DFB, and the fans, will grow. It will become worse in the coming years, I predict. If they woud get the bill for that in two and four years again, I would call that well-deserved, and just.

Lesson of it all: since nothing can be explained, nobody is responsible and so all can stay and nobody has to draw consequences and nobody must get fired.

I would fire the complete management and leadership level of the DFB. All of them, the complete management.

I stick to it: of course Löw has to be fired. OF COURSE. And Bierhoff as well.

A very good first reflection about it, and Löw, I already read several days ago: "A Somehow named Löw", its in German.

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/fus...ue#pageIndex_0

Löw has had his merits, nobody denies that. But he has overstayed his time, and by now his old convictions are part of the problem. Himself he sees as, in Merkel-language, being without alternative, apparently, and so the players have to face the fallout all alone. Unforgivable.

To stay nevertheless, for Löw and the DFB and Bierhoff that seems to have become a purpose in itself.

Is there any other football country where this would have been possible?

Threadfin 07-04-18 02:55 PM

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Quite literally in this case.

I was shocked as well by this announcement. Low should have resigned and saved everyone the trouble. When he did not, it fell on the DFB to do it. And they didn't, which as Skybird said, is absurd.

I posted in another forum asking for the general German reaction to this. If there is indeed a sense of disinterest, that might be the most shocking part of it all.

Well, at least they will send Ozil packing. Right? Right?

Bilge_Rat 07-04-18 03:15 PM

never been much of a soccer fan, but am enjoying watching these games.

Hope England makes it all the way! :woot:

I am surprised though, for a no contact sport, there does seem to be a lot of it...:ping:

Skybird 07-04-18 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Threadfin (Post 2559906)
Well, at least they will send Ozil packing. Right? Right?

They won't. Too much political symbolism, too much Nibelungentreue by Löw.

Skybird 07-04-18 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 2559907)
I am surprised though, for a no contact sport, there does seem to be a lot of it...:ping:

Yes, the brutality of physical attacks sometimes is unbelievable. The suffering is beyond imagination. Worse than Verdun. A miracle they did not need to amputate his leg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ40Hg0pciw

Skybird 07-05-18 06:56 AM

World cup news holds it that there is no news today.

STEED 07-05-18 08:17 AM

I did not watch England's last match as i was at work. What i can make out it was a poor show by England and had to be decided by penalty shoot out. Sounds like i missed nothing of interest, may be able to watch their next game Saturday if i can be bothered to watch a bunch of women.

Cyborg322 07-05-18 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2559957)
I did not watch England's last match as i was at work. What i can make out it was a poor show by England and had to be decided by penalty shoot out. Sounds like i missed nothing of interest, may be able to watch their next game Saturday if i can be bothered to watch a bunch of women.


You should just slacken off your Bra and continue with your knitting instead or go out for a long run for a couple of hours in the sweltering heat alongside a river full of mosquitos a man on your back angry fishermen and actors kicking and elbowing you and when you get back home ask your next door neighbour to head butt you :03:

STEED 07-05-18 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyborg322 (Post 2559962)
You should just slacken off your Bra and continue with your knitting instead or go out for a long run for a couple of hours in the sweltering heat alongside a river full of mosquitos a man on your back angry fishermen and actors kicking and elbowing you and when you get back home ask your next door neighbour to head butt you :03:


Taking the easy option loosing against Belgium was a disgrace. :O:

Jimbuna 07-05-18 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2559964)
Taking the easy option loosing against Belgium was a disgrace. :O:

Actually, many believe it was a tactical result to help ensure we got the easiest side of the draw.

Cyborg322 07-05-18 09:43 AM

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I think the players were not as motivated but they still wanted to win, the tactical choices made sense and don't forget Belgium are no push over ranked no3 By FIFA previously

Its all swings and roundabouts Belgium had a much easier task against Japan next match England could of easily gone out against Columbia

Brazil has still to show it form from previous World Cups and some of the big hitters like Germany are out. To predict an easier route it would be better to look at who was refereeing the games

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