I keep laughing at those that think corporations are taxed too much. Sure, up front it seems they pay high taxes, but after loopholes and shelters, they pay one of the lowest rates in the world... I would have no problem lowering taxes if all the stupid loopholes were done away with. It's just the GOP's way of hiding from the left hand what the right hand is doing.

Every great kingdom was brought down by greed. Then those that end up with the goods see it all go when a nation crumbles..You think we would learn from history.

Why start now? :haha:

You know what I mean. Every systems needs rules and checks, excessive "deregulation" allows corruption. Still, the free market beats the alternatives. Just what do you propose?

The 1 dollar bill agrees. :O:

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the problem now is, That the GOP was somehow able to make the public believe that corporate taxes are directly connected with the economy, which it is to an extent yes, but they have been able to sell the fabrication that any raises on the corporate taxes would make everything go to hell, and lowering taxes will create scores of jobs. So now, whenever they want to lower taxes for their corporate buddies they can without any complaint from the masses because all they have to repeat is: "it will surely create jobs", and can hang a tax raise over all our heads because: "what are you doing!, you'll ruin everything".

but this is all blown out of the water by GE.

I agree. The "tax rate" is not the amount of taxes people pay, unless they can't afford tax shelters/lawyers.

I don't understand this system of everyone having a pretty high "tax rate" but then a buttload of deductions. How about getting rid of the deductions and keeping the tax rate lower? All the tax laws do is make tax lawyers rich and you can bet they don't pay anywhere near what their "tax rate" is. :nope:

Of all the things a government does, taxation should not be all that complicated.....unless deception and misdirection is the goal.

You answered your own question Brother. Income tax is a creation of Congress. Congress is made up of lawyers.

And the circle goes round and round :shifty:

If you do the research, you'll find that the really hard-core "right to life" groups (at least here in the US) are not just anti-choice when it comes to abortion... they are anti-choice when it comes to any kind of birth control aside from complete abstinence or, for married couples, the rhythm method. Some of them will even admit that the abortion battle is just the first hurdle to be cleared in furthering their longterm agenda.

They tend to be particularly hostile to any form of birth control that can be used by a woman to prevent pregnancy without the "permission" of the father of any potential offspring, so condoms are usually somewhere further down on the list of things they want to do away with (or, rather, make impossible for the average person to obtain and use) - except when it comes to them being conveniently and cheaply available to individuals who wish to use them but who might not have the means or self-confidence to walk into a store and buy them.

At bottom it is all very much a part of the "every sperm is sacred" and "sex is for procreation only" and "you will have as many babies as God decides you will have" kind of thinking that pervades the radical religious right.

Source.

Any lawmaker who was using Planned Parenthood as an obstacle to getting this budget passed is duplicitous lying scum.

Sometimes it almost seems like the really radical ones believe that unwanted parenthood and the possibility of life-altering or even fatal disease is the punishment someone deserves for engaging in something as "dirty" as sexual intercourse.

Except of course if you're married, in which case it's a fantasyland where disease and unwanted pregnancy never happen because all married couples were virgins on their honeymoon and remain 100% faithful to each other, and every sexual encounter is a de facto expression of the desire to make (another) baby. And if you didn't want to make a baby, then the risk of doing so is the price you have to pay for the sin of non-procreative lust. :nope:

Surely the Duggars are the ideal everyone should aspire to.

It also seems that some of the people who are most vocal against abortion are also for small government and extensive freedoms without gov. control. Which is really ironic since telling you what you can and can't do with your body is about the ultimate invasion of your freedoms.

furthermore, I'm sure these people would be very critical of a Muslim theocracy, but are trying to get their religious beliefs incorporated into our government.

All of which has squat to do with getting federal spending under control except as a distraction from it.

but thats the thing. The GOP says it has something to do with the budget. Why? because as i said before, they are using the crisis to eliminate funding for programs they don't like. Essentially using the purse to forward partisan and religious ideas.

The Democrats have so many Sacred Cows it's impossible not to affect something that y'all will complain about. You're just taking this particular molehill and trying to make it into as big a political mountain as possible in order to divert attention away from the fact that all federal programs are bloated and need severe trimming.

We've already seen what happens when the Democrats are left in charge. Raising taxes and fees is the only thing they know how to do. Well that and punting the budget to the next session of Congress. Avoid the issue then criticize and complain. They're very good at that.

Bill Maher: "The republicans run on the ticket that government doesn't work. Then they ---- it up and say, 'See?'"

Nice theory but since the Dems have controlled Congress for the past 5 years the present ---- up can hardly be blamed on the GoP.

I thought it was kind of clever and illustrated the point that there's no real difference between the two parties.