That's the truth :yep:

Just an idea :D

I understand your point, and in part, I agree.

We were "burned" by SH2, but I supported that game because I saw first hand how hard Troy Heere, Shawn Storc, and Ultimation worked on that game as it went through the maze of SSI/MattelInteractive/Gore/Ubisoft, near disasters and cancellations. They sent me betas to play test a YEAR before the game was released, so I had an insider's view of the heroic endeavor to finish the game before the plug was pulled. :yep: I wanted that game to be perfect, so did the team, but it was hobbled and that was no secret. Still, for me anyway, I said it was flawed in my review but I was glad to get it, and I strongly urged everyone to pony up and get a copy. Subsim is not Consumer Guide, we do have a bias.

Also, important to remember, SH2 was the sequel to SH1, and if it had died, there would not likely be another SH2 effort, just as there never was a sequel to Fast Attack, Silent Steel, or Aces of the Deep. And other than Silent Hunter...there have been no top tier U-boat sims since 1995... :hmmm:

SH3, I hope no one is going to say we were burned by that game :o

SH4, yes, I agree, that was a serious screwup by Ubisoft. We were burned (although as most of us anticipated, the Romanians pushed to get the fixes later). I do not know the reasons behind the premature release, by this time my relationship with Ubisoft was not as solid. The marketing dept had their hands on every detail and they dragged their feet on sending previews copies like they had something to hide, which we all know now, they did. I did not finish the review for the game until 2 weeks after it was released. It's was pretty obvious to me, that Ubi wanted to stall reviews as long as possible:


I promise you, if this happens again with SH5, I will join you with a pitchfork. Even if it kills the franchise (we always have SH3 and GWX). The relationship between Ubisoft (or any game publisher) and Subsim has to be a two-way street of trust and cooperation. I know the Ubisoft marketing group have a job to do, but if the game is half-finished, that I cannot abide. Bonjourno!



Sorry, I probably didn't make myself clear, What I meant was, I support SH5 (and any subsim game) as long as I trust the game company to make a serious effort to vreate the best game possible, considering the current circumstances.

So, what I meant was, I support SH5, and if the game comes out after a reasonable dev time, and in reasonable condition*, I feel we as the hard core subsim enthusiasts should buy it on Day 1. We want it to succeed.

As I said before, a critical factor, for me, is having a good sense of how much effort went into making the game. I had a great sense with SH2 and SH3, with preview copies coming my way periodically. I knew there was sincere effort going into these two titles--one flawed, and one fabulous. I supported them. I cheered them. And I stand by that.

In the end, this is simply my opinion. I share it with you, I do not think you are obligated to agree. We both want the same thing: a great game. :salute:

Neal

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*No game will ever be 100% bug free, but releasing a game 6 months too early is inexcusable.

Why not both? Internal, paid QA team to make sure mechanics work as intended, and a public beta to get a copy out to people with all kinds of different rigs. Imho would be a good way to find out about problems with specific hardware (combinations) early on. :hmmm:

Agree!:salute:

It seems we are in the unenviable position of catch-22 with the Silent Hunter series. If we don't support it, it will wither away. At the same time we definitely don't want to accept unfinished, untested product.

My main problem was the idea of Ubisoft kicking their code out the door, then 'expecting' the consumers to finish, test and polish the game through mods. That seems a little shady for me, that's all. :-? We're not the developers, they are.


I'm willing to give them one last shot, I will certainly try SHV...I've played these games a very long time, and these sub sims are the only ones I'm drawn back to time and again. They're something I don't want to see go way.

Let's hope for something better out of the box this time! :sunny:

~raven~

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I'd say most those whining people you are attempting to address in the OP, arent going to be visiting this forum until they feel the need to whine. :P

Hi All

I like playing BF2,IL2 & CD4. I LOVE playing Silent Hunter. So I'll sign & I'll buy from SubSim ASAP.

As I've done with almost all sims since the dawn of time... or well close enough atleast, I'll buy SH V on release, I'll bitch to myself if it's not finished and then I'll snoop around SUBSIM and find out what I can get to make the experience even more gratifying. There is nothing more gratifying then playing a new sim that you've been looking forward to. And Ubisoft deserves all the credit for keeping the sub genre alive still.

Sorry but can someone explain to me why this thread is sticky?

Just to annoy you OLC!!:haha: Sorry, couldn't resist!:D

:O:

It got glue on it during arts and crafts class. :smug:

i gave it some thought and decided to sticky it because of its high interest. other than neal's original sh5 announcement thread there is no other thread anywhere near as popular as this one so for that alone it deserves to be noticed.

sh5 will be at least a year untill its released and we have no real content for sh5 except speculation, opinion, and wish list threads.

some threads you might see stickied now are not what you are used to seeing as sticky threads on other forums but that is only because (no offense meant to anyone) there arent any real sh5 threads yet because we dont have a real sh5 game yet to talk about.

there will be a transition period when the game is released where the stickies will be reviewed and some threads like this one will most likely be unstickied when the game actually gets released.

Well said. Not much in life is perfect. What may be for one may not be for another. Positive feedback is not bitching as long as it is ment to inform in a positive way. I have faith in our modders to fix a lot if necessary. We should all give thanks that we have Sub simulations.

"Buy it now or Ubi goes under"??? I'm not enabling Ubi or any other developer to release unfinished products by purchasing pre-release or initial release. Why reward them for what is unacceptable behavior in most other endeavours? :damn:

I'll buy it when it's right...and not a minute sooner.

Agreed.

I see no rush why should we act like crazy and buy it the first day of release. Knowing how frequently UBI likes to leave bunch of bugs in this genre of simulation, I'll go for saving my nerves and wait for a final patch and then buy it with pride rather then having omg, wtf game style due to various bugs that will deffinetly be. Sooner or later UBI will get their money back for their hard work anyway. If they do it the right way of course.

taste the soup
 

You can walk in first person in your sub, taste the soup, talk to crew,
What more you can ask.I will buy it when I see it in game stores .:):DL:D

I totally agree with Neal, word by word.

In my opinion, only a catastrofical bug cascade should stop you from buying the game. But if the game stands to what we're currently seeing, then we should show massive support. You don't know how important is in media (any kind of media) the first-day/week sells data. If there's a massive inmediate response, it would surely motivate further support to the franchise.

When we get some more ingame videos and pics, if it's good, I'll definitely buy it the day it's released, and surely encourage everyone to buy it too. I bought SH4 and didn't play it for weeks until I had a computer powerful enough. That way, I showed my support (though later proven that it was not very deserved), and I got my copy before stores ran out of stock (which usually happens in Spain with not-so-known titles quite fast, and when it happens, it's pretty hard to get a copy).


Get it and prove Ubi we're still very much alive as a community. In the end, they have to get it right one day after so much trial and error, don't you think? And I'd like to be there when that happens. :DL

Cheers :rock:

I'll buy it simply because few other types of games will hold my interest, and I know that the bugs it will have will be fixed. I was, however, hoping for a WW2, worldwide, all Navy sim. Pick you theater and Navy, and start a career. Yeah it's a pipe dream. :shucks:

Buddahaid

Someday Buddahaid, someday. It reminds me of C&C Tiberian Sun, where if you had the expansion you picked what game you wanted to play first then pick your side. So the idea is out there, it would make a SH game unbelievably huge in terms of disk space.