The future of DW is dead as in DEAD. 100% sure.
A friend of mine, was at the european presentation of Dangerous Waters several years ago. He told me that at that time SCS was working on a 1.05 patch.
Have you seen it materialize after all these years ? There is your answer.

I've been out of it lately, I know, but I know of no other modern submarine sim like this. Sure, it's dated graphically, but who's filling the void with a real DW alternative? SCS have the lock on this and the ball is in their court. They can and should develop a new sim altogether. I just don't know if there's money in it.

I'm not so sure ... I think DW has still some life left in it and if SCS has actually changed its stance on "who is allowed to make playable platforms" the biggest gripe from the community is essentially over becausefinally we can have all the platforms we want (even if they all look the same station wise).

Aside from that, I've been to the European release presentation in Great Britain myself and I'm pretty sure that they (as in Jamie) didn't mention anything bout a Patch 1.05.

Cheers
OS

Well here we disagree. SCS has allowed "scu mods" for DW simply because they don't care anymore. Look at the official forum, when is the last time someone from SCS actually intervened ? :-? There are still crashes in DW, and unfortunately without a patch from SCS it will never be fixed because it requires tinkering directly with the .exe. Lets be realistic, DW is a dead project for them, and so they have nothing to loose by letting us mod to our hearts content. It might even revive some sales, how ironic a situation would that be ? ;)


Jamie didn't mention anything, but my friend said that in some images during the presentation you could see the version number of the game and it was 1.05.
Ok its not a definite proof, but it would be really sad if they scrapped the patch simply because the sales were not up to it.

Hmm ... I just checked the presentation Jamie used and the photos I made (after the presentation Jamie played some with the game itself), couldn't find any reference to a 1.05 ... but then this is a moot point anyway - we only have 1.04 (which was still in the making at the european release) and unless SCS steps forward and says otherwise I doubt we will ever see a patch 1.05.

regarding modding:

I'm not an expert in hard-core modding ;-) of DW; that means to add new playable platforms etc.
Any chance to mod the NSE itself or is that not possible/not allowed?

You must be joking right ? :hmm:
Modding the NSE means modifiying the .exe.
I think SCS even of they don't care anymore about DW would go completely "ape s h i t " over this issue. Modding the dll's is one thing, changing the heart of the simulation through the .exe is completely different and a legal mine field for any crazy modder/s willing to actually tinker with the NSE.

just asking...though I had the same feeling.

I know that some publisher/developer have allowed to modify coding (and provide even the source code) but DW will probably never reach this state, since the NSE is still used in their government products.

You know. Given the wonderful work that these two mods are producing. I would be uber cool, if one of the two were to consider some "how-to's" to allow the fans a glimpse to how to change weapon loadouts, etc. Just a thought.

No news is bad news. I do not think we will see anything in the next 5 years, if ever.

What's the status of the RA and Alfa Tau mod? Where is the post here about it?

The discussions have been moved to the DW mod workshop subforum.

Ra mod : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=145517

Alfa Tau 3 mod : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=145516

D'oh! I'm a victim of my own forum strata. :haha:

thanks!

:cry: This is truly disappointing. Subsims simply won't be the same without modern naval games. If not Sonalysts, who else will develop these games in the commercial markets? Sonalysts laid some very good groundwork. I'm sad to hear they're not going forward and propagating any of it beyond DW. Lots of potential in their sim engine.

What are these two mods exactly?

Do they install on top of LWAMI or are they completely stand alone mods?

Do they have homepages where I can learn more about them?

Dr.Sid's project looks promising.
http://www.commanders-academy.com/co...itle=Main_Page

Yes, but still several years will pass before we even have a version with basic functionality at least to play with. So in the meantime, you better like LwAmi/AT3/RA because there is nothing else on the horizon. :03:

Right. And I'm not putting down those efforts. And I also agree that Sid's project looks very promising. But I still believe a commercial release from a game developer holds much more promise IMO. A gaming company has financial incentives to release their product in a timely manner and support the product with patches and other framework. A project like this has no financial incentive, nor are there any guarantees of support or even a release. Nor should there be without financial compensation. I'm looking forward to Dr. Sid's project, and am watching it with interest. But I would much rather prefer a game from Sonalysts. Or at this point, any other developer interested in selling a modern naval sim. Just my opinion.

Forums yes, but not homepages really, since these projects started as unofficial and unsanctioned mods. As of the moment, Sonalysts is permissive of their existence, but who knows if they take on a more official seeming public profile?

Alfa Tau (Italian Project):
http://www.forum.maricosom.net (In Italian).

Reinforce Alert (Russian Project):
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=123
http://redrodgers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=172
(Both in Russian)

The forums have some English sections, but are also somewhat permissive of English posts in the main Russian threads. Use Babelfish or Google Translate if need be.