partialy right my friend we go in long before the skimmers get there often weeks ahead to make sure the area are safe ive served 19 years and have never been part of a fleet strike group we operate very independantly whilst not forgetting that we have other missions we are capable of doing

Well i cant get everything right, but at a logical guess these missions could be performed by the British SSN:

Special forces pick up and drop off
Cruise missile attacks
general attacks
survailance
fleet protection
S.A.R
Comunications relaying
Command and control vessel

Please keep in mind.
 

Please don't anyone take this out of context. I love my country dearly, that is why I chose to make the Navy a career. Our current focus on the war on terror is now, next year, hell next month who knows. My Navy like all the Navies of the people on this forum will meet the call of what ever we are asked to do. I am not talking the politics of any of this, I am simply pointing out, ideology aside, Sailors will rise to the call. My God shipmates all of you are well read, the German Navy was not in good standing with the Nazi's but they put up one hell of a fight, many hated Hitler. Yammoto did not agree with going to war with the US, hotheads in the Army wanted assassinate him but when the decision was made he gave it hell.
I believe that if we cooperated and learned from each other--the world in fact--would be safer. We have our differences, Christ we have been absolutely rude to France, but I will go to bed tonight and not worry about Russia, France, Britain attacking us, and I don't believe any of you worry about us attacking you.
Work together, and by all means keep the competition that is what makes us all great. I am one American who is very sad at how we have treated France, I am a historian, in fact I have advanced degrees, I must be one of the few Americans that remember that France helped us in our war of independence. Please don't start a new war over that comment, it is in the past and we are friednds now.
Navies of all of the countries will do whatever is needed to protect and serve their nations. I did not like Viet Nam, I still did my job, I have never agreed with the war in Iraq, but if I was still in I would go and carry out what ever our orders were.
I would be disappointed if each of you did not feel your country, your branch of service, and your command was not the best. I know every ship I served in from 1958-1982 was the best in the world, my Captain was the best, and I was the best Machinist Mate in the Navy. This pride is what makes each of our countries great.
I firmly believe Submariners from any country will take the boat they have and do the job, history has proven that. We are all great, my navy is just a bit greater that all:rotfl: ;) .

I now relinquish my soap box,

Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret):rock:

Hey Pingjockey - Sorry for letting the 'red mist' of nationalistic pride make me over-react - I did'nt catch Neals cool Texas article. :|\\

'Aliquando et insanire iucundum est.. ' Seneca. ( It is sometimes pleasant even to act like a madman.) :arrgh!::damn:

Sub Sailor a great post ! :ping:

Ping Jockey is the real deal. I had dinner with him tonight. :yep:

I don't have any way of knowing which sub/crew is better, but I am confident that the Brits and Americans set the standard.

Sounds like you have some pull, I think we should talk about getting a Subsim journalist in to cover a British submarine, like we recently did on Ping Jockey's boat.....:hmm:

To set the record straight, there is no such thing as a lone wolf boat singlehandedly planning a TLAM strike. It is not currently possible because of the way the technology is structured.

Those missions are always tasked by a battlegroup of some sort, and without going into too much detail, until the SSGNs come fully online, only surface platforms and shore commands can coordinate strikes and strike planning.

Those brits that shot in support of coalition/NATO missions did so at the direction of CENTCOM through an american CVBG.

I like nationalistic debate.... In fact, you should see the next poll I'm planning: "United States or Britain.... who pees farther?" :)

:D.....or highest ? The hops in our beer or the beer in our hops ?

again wrong the tlam mission for the royal navy are planned back in the uk at north wood HQ not by a battle group or any other surface ship they sent the package and the boat gets the tlam to the launch point simple as that

Where is the tasking from? Who writes the message? Who is the LAC?

Our surface ships don't write missions either. I never said they do. On the other hand, someone has to manage the airspace so missiles and planes aren't flying into each other. CENTCOM (a joint, coalition command) fulfilled that function. Perhaps the LAC was british, but who was FOTC? It's a silly point to argue.

It doesn't matter what nation is coordinating things, the thrust of my message was exactly what I wrote: The idea of a lone-wolf submarine out there launching TLAMs alone is a myth.

As far as working with foreign submariners, I prefer working with the Australians anyway. It must be a PACFLT thing.

"United States or Britain.... who pees further? :) ''......Bring it on LoBlo.............quickly before Euroland excretes its ''preferences'' ! :rotfl:

Well I'm going to wind my neck in now for a time 'at sea.'

Acta est fabula. Augustus.
The drama has been acted out.

no one said the sub was lone wolf uk subs stay in constant comms with th uk and recieve tasking from HQ direct via communications not via a task group the uk runs its boats like that and have done so for the 19 years ive served

Bellman: No worries, I kind of egged you on to begin with.

Everyone else, I am sorry for my lack of responses over the last few days. I been swamped with other issues here in my life but with some luck things will work be ok here soon.

Bellman or anyone else on this thread. is there a link somewhere out there that would give a few more tid bits of info on the the astute. I would like to have a chance to read alittle more about it.

To other folks out there that would like to play a little DW we just need to do some cordination and set it up. I am on older laptop right now due to the fact that I am on travel. But I am sure we can make it work some how...

Lastly, thanks for hanging out the other night neal, it was a blast and I hope I shed some light on a few things for ya.

PingJockey