What does that have to do with anything?!? I'm 3rd generation Hispanic and love my country. What are you trying to say.......people coming from non-"Anglo" countries can't assimilate and become loyal Americans? What a crock, Brad. America ain't going anywhere. August is totally right.

You guys are talking about ethnic conflicts. (btw, recent census some weeks ago showed that every fifth person in Germany already is no "German" anymore, so we have become a country of migration, too, and very obviously so. Even before, german population was mixed with different, mostly slavic ethnicities, too. When you go the the Northeast, just notice the change of names in former Prussia, and the raise in people with black hair and dark eyes and slightly darker skin colour and names like Kryzanowski, Kaminski and Kowalski :lol: Not kidding, it's true, and it's no problem at all: they are so completely dissolved into Germany that noone even realizes it. Just want to say that Germany has been a multi-ethnical nation from the very beginning, just not to that ammount like america).But Islam is something different, and when there is something that it really hates, then it is multi-culti as long as multi-culti is not mono-ideological: Islamic, that is. It will not spare you from it'S demand to possess you just because you have many Mexicans. the presence of a stronger christian right will help you to resist longer, though, and maybe get away, but you will be confronted by the problem as well as we in europe, just a bit later. concerning Canda I am not so unsure. They have a very Muslim-friendly policy and even favour Muslim immigration to that from other countries, due to the francophone influence. They will lose.

What I'm saying is that America's diversity (Not melting pot) is going to change the face of America. We are going to be just like europe but it will take a while longer because of the big pond. We are nowhere near the America of fifty years ago.
Japan and Middle Eastern companies own more of America than Americans do. High tech jobs are being filled by cheap labor foreigners. American brains are going to overseas companies. American companies are moving overseas in droves. Leagalize the illegals from Mexico and they won't be satisfied picking fruit they will go for other jobs that pay decent so we are still going to get illegals anyway while corporations slash salaries to take advantage of cheap labor.
No, our days of red, white and blue are numbered and with that will come idealogical differences and more terrorism etc.

Am I paranoid? Yes, I think I have reason to be.

I see. And I agree that the face of America is changing. But White Anglo's ain't going anywhere. The USA is not going to face any of the same amount of pressure as Europe is with immigration. We currently have a drive to get new arrivals to assimilate. There are people out there that are aware that English must be primary and some have taken some action. (Geno's Steaks, Hazleton Pennsylvania Mayor, Orange County, CA, etc. etc. ) There's nothing like that in Europe. Americans in the end ain't going to let it happen. And America does have a long history of assimilating people of all types. My family is living proof of that. America ain't going anywhere. Oh, it'll look a little different, but it will survive. Fear not. And take what you read from the internet with a grain of salt.;)

But you know what would help America retain it's core, Brad? Everytime someone waves an American flag, there isn't some sniveling left-wing Liberal calling those that do "stupid" nationalists. Also if disgusting left-wing groups like the ACLU weren't working to rip down historical monuments that are part of America's history and core.....all because they are in the shape of a cross(Mount Soledad). How about if left-wing groups, teacher's unions, democrat education "advocates" wouldn't push "alternative" history in the schools all the while pushing multi-culti BS. Teach American history....not what liberals wish American history was to push their agenda.

While I want immigration reduced, illegal immigration eliminated, and a system of removal for all here illegally, I don't blame them for the degradation of America's soul. Like I said, immigrants will assimilate if the pressures are there for them to do so. That pressure's building in America. It looks to me like our own left-wing socialists are the problem, seeing as how they are the ones trying to do away with anything this keeps us cohesive and builds pride in the American soul. And they say they do this all in the name of "tolerance" and such. Yeah, whatever.

P.S. Did you know alot of assets in foreign countries are owned by Americans. This works both ways my friend. I know you probably don't want to believe it because Bush is presiding over it, but America's economy is rolling right now.

Red white and blue do not refer to skin color nor has the word "American" ever meant a person of any particular ethnic origin. Yes we are not the America of 50 years ago but neither was the America of 50 years ago the same as the America of 100 years ago, or 150, or 200

None of the things you mention are new to this country and I disagree that we will be like Europe, ever. Our geographical position means there are different ethnic groups involved and in different proportions than they are in Europe and, imo, just as importantly we have different national histories. Ethnic enclaves have never lasted very long in this country, not the way they have in Europe, one reason is that we've never had a feudal system that had hundreds of years to define itself. The second is our mobility. It's always been easy for Americans to pack up and move thousands of miles without ever leaving the nation. Try that in Europe.

BTW FWIW, I do not have a George Bush portrait on my wall but I do know the guy who did his Dads official presidential painting, does that make me who you're implying I am?

And Sea Demon, right on man.

You forget the charming penetration power of birth rates. Anglosaxons: very low, non-maintaining. Immigrating ethnicities: high, pushing group sizes up. Another perspective on birth rates which is true in europe as well as in North America, Japan, Russia, Korea: families of high social status and high education standards: low birth rates, or no children at all, in the name of job and career. Families of low social status and low education levels: high birth rates. Just adding this, for fun: there are undisputed correlations between later success and social status, career and education level of offsprings, and the educational and social level of their parent's families. you have better chances in life if you come from a "good" family. Well, tjhat is nothing new.The politically most incorrect statement here is that more and more children get raised in social environments that promsie to keep them down and uneducated, while less and lesser children get raised in an environment that helps them to gain higher social status and education. The "elites" get smaller in size, the class of the "working poor" increases. Pointing at that violates the docritne of the left that all men shall be equal and shall have the same chances, so it is massively rejected, at least over here.But looking at our schools, and the public niveau of eduaction in the widest sense tells me that they are wrong in their rejection. I have two highschool treachers in my group of friends, both of them agree with me and see a direct link between children's home, and their problems at school. Also, no surprise. And besdies birth rates and hostile colonization and unlimited immigration, these issues also are ways to bring down and destroy the integrity of a national community/society.

What I said about Anglo Americans was a bad anology. The point I am trying to make is that their is such an influx of people entering the U.S. that it is impossible not to change. Your dream of everyone being a happy American is wrong in today's day and age. America does not assimulate(?) the way it used too. Now we celebrate diversity. Ethnic enclaves are encouraged. That means we celebrate being other nationalities. I'm not saying that everything is different right this minute but if you don't see it happening you have tunnel vision.
Geographical position means nothing now. The world is shrinking. Travel is too easy and too fast for geographical position to matter. In fact you basically are saying the same thing in your reference to mobility. Just expand on it.
Your thoughts are 50 years old.

I don't think so. I was implying that you are a Bush groupy and you can't see past what he say's.

And what Skybird is saying is another way of saying what I was saying.
Do you understand what I'm saying. :huh:

I understand what you're saying. You're both saying that this might become a problem here in America some day if it continues along the path you percieve it's going at this moment. Fair enough.

But human, and American history too, show over and over again that the way people of any particular generation percieve things are going, turns out to be totally different than the path it does eventually go.

I guess it boils down to whether you have faith in the American people and our way of life. If you do then you shouldn't be frightened of todays boogieman, because both yours and Sea Demons children will keep that from happening and if you don't well then maybe that is part of the problem. How can we make future generations believe in our way of life if we don't believe it ourselves?

Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I know there is a push for mass immigration without assimilation. I know the focus is only on diversity to the detriment of unity in the minds of some. I know ethnic enclaves exist. But I also know where this is coming from. And who is promoting it. It comes from the likes of the left-wing Ford Foundation, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the left-wing socialists from ANSWER, the insects at the ACLU, radical anti-American groups like MECHA, and others like them. These are all left-wing outfits that work to the detriment to the nation. You want to preserve America?? Then these groups are your enemy.

But I totally disagree with you on the future of America. I don't think everything's rosy and wonderful. I just believe Americans are a people that always rise to confront the problems they face. If you haven't noticed, it's happening now with the push in the House for border enforcement, private citizens like the Minutemen, and state initiatives looking for better enforcement. And August is right that ethnic enclaves don't exist for long in America. Never have. And people are just getting fed up with the Liberal hogwash of "celebrate diversity", promoting false "tolerance" over common sense, and such. I'm sorry, I just don't share your pessimism.

Interesting, I find myself agreeing with what August has been saying here for once, and I think its true in Canada and the US both. In both cases, even where immigrants retain their cultural identity they still become Canadian or American respectively, and integrate into the dominant culture. Granted there are odd pockets here and there that don't, Chinatowns and what have you, but these are the rare exceptions.

Grab some popcorn and watch Immigration Gumballs.

I truely hope it is just pessemism. I truely love this country but when I look at my granddaughter I can't help but think what is she going to grow up to. What is she going to inherit from us. It makes me shudder.

I have no family myself, but I know that feeling when playing with the two little girls of a very close girlfriend of mine. Help those people next to you as good as you can and try your best to live a right life, Brad. No one can demand more from you, and with that you already would have acchieved far more than damn many people that even do not care what is beyond their own ego.

If you're saying what I think you're saying, I'm saying maybe I don't want to understand.

Say what you mean!

I Mean what I say, and that's much the same thing.

Oh, no it isn't. Most people mean what they say; only a rare few say what they mean.