in all the documents i've found the names are the following:

British : Vereinigten Konigreich
USA: : Vereinigten Staaten von Amerika
Russia: Union der Sozialistischen Sowjet-Republiken
France: Frankreich

for example please have a look on here (original documents from documentarchiv.de) :

"Feststellung
seitens der Regierungen des Vereinigten Königreichs, der Vereinigten Staaten von Amerika und der Union der Sozialistischen Sowjet-Republiken sowie der Provisorischen Regierung der Französischen Republik über die Besatzungszonen in Deutschland
[vom 5. Juni 1945]

( http://www.documentarchiv.de/in/1945...lands_fst.html )

I don't think a "link war" is going to solve anything here.

Put simply, the closest guide is at http://cgi.ebay.com.au/WW-II-Kriegsm...QQcmdZViewItem

I'm sure if you looked at another German publication of the time it would cite the countries differently, just like now I have in front of me three English documents referring to the USA as "United States", "United States of America" and "America" respectively.

Perhaps we are now getting too pedantic, but I want what was used at the time in either the equivalent document, or in this case the closest thing we've come across, the Warship ID book. Doing so provides the most correct context.

Of course, one must also remember that the link is of the *warship only* ID manual, ie excluding merchants and others. Our SH3 book is all inclusive. So perhaps any label including "Krieg" is not an overly accurate description. Anyway, one for a German to answer!

well... the nation name and flag issue just delay the release :down:

I think we have to make a concensus about the flag and names so everyone is happy.


I did the flag and names as everyone wished but still getting into deep political historic correctness. I did the flags as it is in GW and IuB to not make any confusion in the Identification of a nationnality of a ship, but it not even please anyone so maybe I have to redo the flag texture of the ships in the same process...

And I think this should be made in another thread since it another part of the game.

Relax JonZ, you've done a great job so far, you shouldn't have to worry about our suggestions too much and they aren't must do's!
I for one am not going to be all that dissapointed if it doesn't turn out completely accurate (whatever that may be)... anything is better than the old rec manual and yours looks awesome.

Thanks, but I will leave for a couple of hours and hopes things will clears up a little bit when I'll come back. I think there's still room for adjustments.

I also have the idea to release with the pack a template, for people who wants to add or wants to correct some flag

Totally agree! :up:

Make that two of us :up:

Jonz..just do what you think is best and ignore the rest.This is your mod and you have the right to make it how you want and not how they want.If they dont like it then they dont have to download it.

Let the guy do his work..if it is not 100% accurate..so what..its not the end of the world.

JonZ is trying to improve something in the game and all you guys can do is complain that "this or that is not correct" :nope:

Hi all,

I don't think anyone is complaining. JonZ is doing a great work! That is out of question!

I guess it is hard to answer what is historical correct. As JScones already mentioned, probably there were all kinds of names for the countries used. I think all choices are reasonable! So I would just release the version, YOU (JonZ) like the most. All are great!

Cheers, LGN1

I must say, Great Work! :up:

Its amazing the work you modders put into making this game what it is today, UBI should be giving you a portion of the profits :-j

But in all honesty please do keep up th good work, I wish I could help, unfortuantly I don't have the time or the resources or the know-how for that matter :nope:

The communty sure does take advantage of these modder's skills, I sure hope they know how appreciative we are. :up:

Sorry for beign meanful earlier, it wasn't in my intention at all.

But I really felt something has to be done... and I did something :)

The solution for the flags was simple:
just add a second flag for cross mod references.

So it mean that if a mod carry more accurate ship flag, there's chances that the recognition manual cover will have it.

Making the cover flags more multi-mod friendly. Ain't that great?

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/9286/nations9mw.jpg

The only concern I have left are the names for Kriegsschiffe.


Some of you wanted me to change it to Reich but for some it doesn't make sense. I'm all for the historical accuracy but if it means more confusion for the german user, I will simply revert them into Kriegsschiffe. Also note that South Affrica, Canadian and australian still have Kriegsschiffe because no one requested me to change it to Reich...


What do you think?

Kriegsschiffe means warships... so Australische Kriegsschiffe means Australian Warships. Replacing Kriegsschiffe by Reich would make no sense as Reich means empire. ie Deutsches Reich - German empire, Britisches reich - British empire

If you have any concerns you could remove Kreigsschiffe alltogether for consistency... and the length of the words
If you wanted to change them all to include Kriegsschiffe some would have to be really long... such as "Kriegsschiffe des Deutschen Reiches"
It looks fine the way it is as it makes sense and all... but if you want to use the simple names:
Südafrika
Australien
Kanada

Ditto!

:rock:

fantastic job, JonZ ! :up:

don't worry, critics are always a good thing. by the way, I see more advices than critics here ;)

Awesome job! Looks amazing! When is it ready to be downloaded? (or have I missed the link?)