geez abother person who just cant get the gist of things i wasnt refering to spelling i was refering to taking a statement out of context.

Reminds me of that 'ole song ''What a difference a day makes.'' :o :huh:

Fish MondayXabbaRus MondayBellman MondayMolon Labe MondayFish MondayEnd of story ? No ! :arrgh!: ...........Revisit the thread and ask yourself what happened to some posters .........................
admirable but flawed intentions ? But, sanity returns:

sonar732 WednesdayOn shore we drink together - at sea we fight. Take your differences into the water -
Let's have some Fleet v Fleet in MP. :hulk:

Sounds interesting. Seawolves organisation was just awesome, really something, but when I played SC there I always felt the poorer cousin to the 688i players.

I guess what I'm saying is that it doesn't come as a great surprise that there were 'change issues' with DW coming along.

So is that it then? Can we all get back to normal?

For your fleet realism with your yes sirs, no sirs and JAGs and psuedo military stuff, can you keep that to private messages between the relevant people and keep it to your own forums?

Then we can all get along like grownups instead of primary school children in the playground.

I think we should reconsider to be member from other virtual fleets?
I think we should find a way we can play against each other though.
The problem with being member from other fleets give people the best of both fleets but doesn't have to wory about command postions and all the work which comes with it.

That's the fleet's choice to have that rule (more so than the players :P ) although this is definitely a more reasoned approach than outright banning. Besides, there's plenty of work to do in a fleet outside of command positions. JAG and R+D come to mind. =)

"Reconsidering" would be a really bad idea, because it would cost a brand new organization current and future members. How many people would join a group, without knowing what they were getting because they hadn't tried it out yet, if they had to leave the fleets where they knew what they had?

There's a reason I joined Seawolves instead of VMC or USVN a year ago...

How hard can it be?

Agreement between fleets. You can only be a member of one fleet regardless of whether you hold a staff position or not.

Look at it like a football league. You choose the club you want to play with and stick with it. If you want to move you tell people, simple as that.

End of story.

What has transpired between Kapitain and his various fleets is a matter for private messages or the forums of those fleets.

:D Agreed end of that story......
So putting aside contentious issues - a simple administrative question. Several people are still on the
roster of NCHQ so do we take it that membership of this ,regretably, almost defunct Fleet precludes
them from taking Command positions in other Fleets ?

Such 'Man of straw' membership of NCHQ presumably should be terminated. It does'nt seem to have
prevented, in some cases ,individuals taking membership of several Fleets, but as Fish said, in such 'machinery'
avoiding (not necessarily deliberately) Command responsibilities, duties and admin. :hmm:

I am not beeing provocative here - I am affected, beeing still on NCHQ roster but would terminate that to join XXX Fleet,
in order to make a full contribution. Facing future potential inter-fleet competition, I think its important
to have clearly demarked loyalties .

That analogy only works when all the "teams" are in the same "league" and they compete against each other regularly. Online navies mostly compete within themselves, only organizing interleague wars occasionally. I was in SW for a year before anything was organized with anyone outside of the league, for example.

I think a league that doesn't trust its membership to act maturely in those extremely rare instances when there may be a conflict of interest, says a lot about itself. In psychology, it's called "projection." :yep:

:) '' I was in SW for a year before anything was organized with anyone outside of the league, for example.''

Was it really equiped and organised to do it then ?
I think things are changing elsewhere - first inter Group action, then with new organisation inter-fleet warfare.

Within groups, I'd agree, but I haven't seen anything anywhere in the fleets I'm participating in or at any of the various subsim forums that suggests that inter-league play is becoming the norm.

And why should it? Different leagues have different rules, structures, reporting systems, scenario standards, etc. You have to create a whole new temporary system to allow the war to begin with. It's a lot of effort to put into something that's only going to last a few weeks, when you already have a stable system in place for doing things within your own league.

double post and the second one had the corrected spelling.

the first thing necesary for extra-fleet operations is a set of rules that all of the fleets can agree to. i welcome any of the other fleet commanders to open up talks. As a representative of the VMC i can tell you wed be more then happy to come to the table and disscuss a global set of "Rules".

I dont think anyone said anything about it becoming the norm :hmm:

As you said - it has been done. But appreciating the work you have put into organising such matters I
am sure that you have a fuller understanding of a task which may well lie over the horizon. When pressed I hope
that you might agree that it is very difficult - but surely not impossible ! :roll:

Now desirability, agreement about rules, resolving disputes are contentious issues. :yep: