It might say that the cover isn't good enough but for the enemy the question still remains; which part of that cover is failing?

The problem here is that intelligence gathering is basicly putting pieces of a puzzle together. Every scrap of information has value and you can bet that if this wiretap issue gets to the congressional hearings that some are calling for it's going to give the enemy a lot of insight into our capabilities.

As i see it,the cover failliure may be of 2 types.Either someone from the inside is "singing" (a bit difficult given that they are tested fanatics) or that the leak is from the outside ,meaning that either they are under surveillance or that they aren't exposed yet,but their comms have been intercepted(although more unlikely given the US high tech means available).

In any case,the wisest thing would be to change everything,from location to codes,to number of contacts (reduced to minimum),to leave the country if the leak seemed to be from the outside ,so that live to fight another day maybe somewhere else.

What i want to say is,that as long as the terrorists don't decide to strike,yes,it makes sense not arresting then and just monitor them,because one may lead to the other and thus unveil the entire group.But once they get stopped from striking,the only thing that makes sense is to arrest them,because you have nothing more to gain,while on the other hand you may lose him or transform him from group member following orders to rogue solo terrorist that may act out of disperation on his own.

I mean,suppose you stop them once.Out of prudence they become more solitairy,change codes etc.Are you then sure you will brake again their code before they strike again or flee or become solo bombs?Surveillance works well untill the monitored is unaware of it and is confident that his plans are going well and nothing can stop him.Once he sees that there is a leak ,he is of no use anymore ,other than arrest him and interrogate him.There have been several terrorist groups in Europe,and that was the standard procedure that led to their extermination.

As for the Congressional hearings,well yes,i suppose some corrupted politician might leak something to the press for political gain etc,but at the end,for such circumstances you have that special Court,which i supposed is formed by trusted judges,not just anyone.Why not use that and remain within the normality?

OK, let's try this again. READ THE FEDERAL REGISTER for information on limitations regarding MONITORING.
Is it just me, or does U-214 sound a bit too much like Skybird?

Anyone care to solve my cipher posted a few pages above? Marcel? :roll:

Worth reading-


http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointe...reportIIIj.htm


Yours, Mike

My German accent must be improving a lot since i started playing SH3,so i ll take it as a compliment :rotfl: Oh well,all republicans sound the same to me too,but this doesn't mean they actually are the same person :D

Anyway,i didn't want to irritate you.I tried to arrive to a logical conclusion.You are not the first contry to have had terrorists and just because Bush told so isn't proof for everyone.Then again,it's your President,you have to live with the conseguences of what he does,so you are free to beleive him or condone him for some things.

Regards

;) I watched the president of the United States on TV last night. He did not look well when he spoke of the eavesdropping events. Will Bush be impeached like Nixon was, now that Bush has stepped over the line????????

No. And it's debatable whether he stepped over the line...

PD

Our capabilities has not been any big secret for years. We are talking wire and wireless communication intercepts here not Ultra. The hoopla is over George authorizing our security apparatus to spy on our own people which is against the law. I'm sure the hows are not going to come into play.
All they gotta do is have a Department of Homeland Security Interior Wire and Wireless Communications Interception Department or DHSIWWCID pronounced "shewsid" with the proper checks and balances then everything will be cozy. Business cards will have to be kind of big to fit the name all on. :) Be a bit of a problem with the Civil Librties crew though. The tapping, not the size of the card.

No. The Republicans run everything and they will cover for him unless like all rats they sense the ship is sinking then they will turn on him.

But if everyone repeats it often enough, it will be true. :roll:

spying on US citizens?

ah, never mind. I am going for sleep again :D

Which was said by Goebbels. Who most likely learned it from Muhammed.

That's how our mainstream media learned to work in the late 60's and early 70's. The power of suggestion. It worked then, and they're determined to make it work, now...except the internet keeps getting in their way.

Which has nothing to do with the debate over NSA spying and the alleged invasion of peoples privacy and the breaking of some US law. Try again. :roll: But please by all means provide any substantive evidence to back up your "most likely learned it" theory?

Of course it does. :roll:

Whatever.

The federal government may have the ability to scan every electronic transmission known to mankind but the costs would be astronomical to sift through it all in order to spy on "the citizens". If you narrow your search to specifics and allocate personnel to find them you might find that needle in a haystack.

Until I see congress appropriate funds to dramatically and I do mean dramatically increase personnel and offices with antenas on the roof sprouting like weeds in my neigborhood I like what big brother is doing. Finding those who wish to do harm to me and my country and take care of the matter.