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Originally Posted by Skybird

Ouch, and Bush's personal buddy, head of FEMA, was ordered back to Washington. yesterday they said he was replaced by some coastguard man. If he was pulled out due to his incompetence I wonder why he is still allowed to continue as head of FEMA (status of this news: yesterday). seems it helps to be a friend of the president. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4231648.stm
I think he will serve dual purpose now: ending his inexperience and incompetence, and turning him into a pawn to be sacrificed in order to bring some relief from critizism of Bush's handling of this crisis.

The American system did nor really shine in glory and honour in all this. Observation this is, no malicious joy.

Again - much more written - and then deleted. Hey Neal, your recipe works! :)

Lol, I hear you, same here a lot of times ;)

In my opinion, there's no question that FEMA did not respond very quicky or impressively. And yes, Bush should be held responsible for appointing a political hack to an important post. (Not that other presidents haven't done the same thing). I find it hard to accept that only 4 years after 9/11, the federal govt could not respond better after a major crisis. What if it had been a viral outbreak instead of a hurricane? :nope:

I still maintain that the lion's share of the "fault" lies with the people who chose to live right on the coast and those in New Orleans who did not evacuate. They just make bad choices and don't think things through. Case in point: for more than 8 hours CNN.com has featured this story:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/09/kat...ors/index.html

3 days of death, despair and survival

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Before Katrina hit the Gulf Coast on Sunday, August 28, Debbie said she hadn't paid much attention to the warnings and didn't want to evacuate without the family's pets. "I never once dreamed ... I just thought it would be a little wind and rain and then it would just blow over."

The family had lived in the three-bedroom house on Arts Street for 13 years. Melissa Harold, the grandmother, moved in several years ago after Debbie's husband died. They lived with three dogs, a cat, a guinea pig, a gerbil, six hamsters and a parakeet.

"My mom told us we weren't leaving because wherever we went, we couldn't bring our animals with us," said Tiffany, who wants to be a veterinarian and mourned leaving behind the pets, including those buried in the back yard.

As a result, they had to watch the grandmother die of exposure and thirst. They didn't even have a hammer or crowbar to break a hole through the roof.

just remeber guys who was taking the oil before the war funny enough france and germany where in there taking oil i wonder who was against the war?

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

More than FDR?

Actually I was going to say JFK.

Brad

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Originally Posted by micky1up

just remeber guys who was taking the oil before the war funny enough france and germany where in there taking oil i wonder who was against the war?

It ain't quite that simple Micky. The US was also importing Iraqi oil thru the oil for food program.

Since the thread topic and Hurricane Katrina have become related:

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TAJI, Iraq, Sept. 9, 2005 â€” Iraqi soldiers serving at Taji military base collected 1,000,000 Iraqi dinars for victims of Hurricane Katrina.

Iraqi Col. Abbas Fadhil, Iraqi base commander, presented the money to U.S. Col. Paul D. Linkenhoker, Taji Coalition base commander, at a Sept. 5 staff meeting.

We are all brothers,â€ said Abbas. â€œWhen one suffers tragedy, we all suffer their pain.â€

The amount of money is small in American dollars - roughly $680 - but it represents a huge act of compassion from Iraqi soldiers to their American counterparts, said U.S. Army Maj. Michael Goyne.

â€œI was overwhelmed by the amount of their generosity,â€ Goyne said. â€œI was proud and happy to know Col. Abbas, his officers, NCOs and fellow soldiers. That amount represents a monthâ€™s salary for most of those soldiers.â€

Abbas read a letter he wrote after giving the envelope to Linkenhoker.

"I am Colonel Abbas Fadhil; Tadji Military Base Commander,â€ Abbas wrote. â€œOn behalf of myself and all the People of Tadji Military Base; I would like to console the American People and Government for getting this horrible disaster. So we would like to donate 1.000.000 Iraqi Dinars to help the government and the People also I would like to console all the ASTs who helped us rebuilding our country and our Army. We appreciate the American's help and support. Thank you."

http://www.defendamerica.mil/article...090905ms2.html

America had to. Nothing more, nothing less.

If not - this is how you win a war with America:

Start the war, America takes you on, you agree to a cease fire, and then kick America out after a brief time. Almost worked for Sadaam.

-S

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Originally Posted by Skybird

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by Skybird

If so, my sources apparently were not so wrong at all.

So far the only place i see it mentioned is here:

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/n...t__1st_Update_

What may be of interest to you (or not) is that, if true, the article says FEMA wasn't asking them not to take pictures, just not to show them. Big difference.

As i said on the last page, I see no good purpose to forcing families of the victims to see images of their poor dead Aunt Tillys corpse tied to a lamp post every time they turn on the TV.

2nd channel TV news, some minutes ago: reporters now are officially prohibited to join expeditions into the to-be-searched areas of the flooded cities. They are prohibited to board boates with officials, or take boats by themselves.

And on page 2 I wrote: "Not that it is necessary to show such material again and again. It just should not be supressed or prohibited."

The more bodies beeing shown on TV, the worse the impression people have about the ammount of failure of the leadership - and the worse for the administration. That simple censorship can be explained. No images - no public awerness.

Ouch, and Bush's personal buddy, head of FEMA, was ordered back to Washington. yesterday they said he was replaced by some coastguard man. If he was pulled out due to his incompetence I wonder why he is still allowed to continue as head of FEMA (status of this news: yesterday). seems it helps to be a friend of the president. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4231648.stm
I think he will serve dual purpose now: ending his inexperience and incompetence, and turning him into a pawn to be sacrificed in order to bring some relief from critizism of Bush's handling of this crisis.

The American system did nor really shine in glory and honour in all this. Observation this is, no malicious joy.

Again - much more written - and then deleted. Hey Neal, your recipe works! :)

http://www.cyberallies.com/nostro.gif
The Wizard Strikes again.

What the hell is your point in all this about the bodies...you are such a Dirty Laundry boy it is amazing...who wants to see bodies...you guys act like Americans are oblivious to what goes on in the world.Have you guys heard of an invention called the Computer or the Internet? I can read Al Jazera daily BS or watch terrorist traing videos on how to cut off a head properly.What you put in is what you get out Skybird and what constantly spews from your mouth is garbage.STFU already.

We Do Not Want To See Dead Bodies Skybird.
We Already Know They Are There.
Do You Understand This?
Do You Want See Death?
Look In The Mirror

BTW this thread was about Iraq and GWB's evil American Empire stick to topic.

iraq a just war?

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Originally Posted by Catfish

...Obviously the media here tell something else than you saw. People were told to leave the city before monday as far as i know. Food did not arrive on wednesday.

"The MAYOR, whom is the first line of defense when his city is in trouble, and the GOVENOR, whom is the 2nd, did nothing cept whine. The school buses which were supposed to be used to transport ppl out, are STILL sitting parked at their orginal location.
The govenor didn't request the National Guard until Thursday or Friday."

I really do not get it. The information i saw on TV here was that mayor and governor told the people to leave the city, but there were too few cars and transports available, not all had a car and some did not want to leave. The mayor already called for help before the levees broke, the answer was "they overestimated the hurricane". Next thing was politicians talking about "Louisiana being helped by trucks and helicopters" in the media, which led to the mayor saying something like "Stop talking nonsense, there is no one here helping".
So despite talking in the media CNN said there was no material even headed for Louisiana at this point. First assistance arrived on thursday, but it did not get to the center where it was needed...

I understood that the President declared an emergency two days before the hurricane hit the coast, which I heard was quite exceptional. It seems that neither FEMA, nor the State nor the local authorities in New Orleans responded well. The evacuation of New Orleans was ordered by the mayor only one day later, thus curring the available time in halve. Schoolbusses were not used to move people out of the city, peole were directed towards the Convention Center and the Sports Stadium without any proper preparations for a prolonged stay.
That New Orleans was not well prepared for a disaster shows from the fact that one third of the police force deserted and some policemen participated in lootings and robberies.
But whether these facts are correct will be discussed the coming months in Presidential committees, Congressional committees, State committees and local committees.
I feel just slightly irritated when in a complex situation where Federal government agencies, four State governments and many local governments are involved people blame President Bush without the benefit of any investigation in the real facts and causes. That's just too simple, but then, many people are like that...
:hmm:

Abraham, your insight into the American political and organizational structure is better than many Americans. A lot of people could take a lesson from you.

iraq a just war?

Thanks Takeda Shingen & Sharktooth.
It's really nice to get a compliment on this forum.
:rotfl:
I must admit that I did a Summer course of Colombia University on US Constitutional law about 25 years ago and some reading afterwards. That helped me understand the complex US system of State and Federal law collusions and the checks & balances interwoven at all levels of the system.
:lol:

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Originally Posted by bradclark1

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

More than FDR?

Actually I was going to say JFK.

Brad

Yeah, but I guess I was thinking in terms of longevity and major govt actions and programs. FDR was in office much longer than any Pres before and he instituted some serious social changes (some of which may have been necessary in light of the Depression).

Lincoln may be a candidate, his actions during the Civil War were often extreme and unprecedented. :hmm:

wow im glad this thread has stayed civil keep it up please people

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Originally Posted by Kapitain

wow im glad this thread has stayed civil keep it up please people

You mean that?
I read a lot of ugly Anti-Americanism and some personal attacks from both sides of the corridor...