Ok Fish Im just confused (go figure :roll: ). In the bottom pic you are driving the Akula (RADM Fish 3rd) and a detected Orion (via link) is flying over...itself? :-?

The top picture is showing Fish driving an Akula.

The bottom picture is from a computer linked to the first over a LAN (I'm guessing), of Fish driving SW.

The bottom picture has three icons, two blue subs and a neutral P-3.

The sub on the right is Fish's SW. The sub on the left is the Akula. Overtop of that, is the neutral P-3, which is feeding it's own and the Akula detection positions over the link.

The question with the picture is through what sensor the P-3 detected the Akula.

Pigfish I think its clear that in dump 1 Ens Osprey dives an Akula-11 and in dump 2 the Aks icon
can be seen beneath the Orions with Fish in his beloved SW standing off.

If 'Truth' and 3D confirmed that the Aks sail was out of the water and Fish reports that the Ak contact was provided
by link info from the P3 .'. QED !

LW - top picture shows ENS Osprey diving the AK. :stare: :huh: :o ;) :lol:

:hmm: ENS Osprey does not appear on the Seawolves scoring roster - so Fish was on his Lan.

In that case with an AI P3 we wont know the answer to the question which sensor. Unless the Amizaur suggestied
DbgView procedure is followed. This is going around in circles. :roll:

Unfortunately DbgView does not work in MP games, probably to avoid cheating.

OK makes sense to me now. The bottom pic has two user subs, a multiplayer pic. :up:

Anyway heres a test pic of myself in a Seawolf with my sail showing and all masts up. I let it go 15 minutes gametime and no attack. Even pinged active for the heck of it. They just fly around waiting to be shot down.

http://prozny.com/_new/AITEST2.JPG

For me playing solo I am definetly invisible from AI with just sail showing.

Based on the fact that human controlled platform sensors can detect sails and masts, I am sticking to the theory that SCS intentionally disabled sail and mast detection for AI platforms to enable players who wanted to shoot down AI aircraft with their SAM launcher to do so. :hmm: :88)

Has anyone tested sails and masts with AI ship radars and lookouts (visual sensor)?

I think you are right, LW.
@Pigfish, did you cavitate during your test?

I hope this is fixed in the patch-not too realistic for solo players.

Anyway did some quick tests using Ludgers editor. I set passive and active SLs to zero, my sub with sail exposed and masts up and a couple of very close Udaloys ignored me. Seems niether AI visual or radar work on a 'sailed' sub, surface or air.

I did get attacked when settings were normal but I think they found me with active in that case.

Thanks for the extra test pigfish. :up:

Yep. I did a replenishment scenario a while back.....had a trigger set when I (in my Kilo) was sighted visually, never got the female confirm voice :huh:

Went back to mission editor, and found the problem to be that the AI is blind.

Had to set another trigger when the Kilo got within a certain distance, about 2 nm to set off the visual cue,

I remember sailing rings around the AO...within a few hundred yards and no trigger...... :o

As for some reason, I cannot play online, this feature is kinda important.....