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Frömmler Vogel 07-04-15 05:22 PM

Good article from the Washington Post on the revision of history by supporters of the Confederate cause:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/postev...nts-are-wrong/

The civil war was only ever about white supremacy and any attempts to argue counter to that is simply dishonest.

Sailor Steve 07-04-15 07:01 PM

I wrote something similar five years ago.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...9&postcount=44

Penguin 07-04-15 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 2325481)
To qualify, I support removing it from any govt office or facility.

That's ok, the government shouldn't support any allegiaance - goes for the pledge, too.

The demonization of the battle flag as a symbol of racism and hate looks like the typical solution: "let's blame zombie movies, heavy metal and video games, without them we'd live in freaking paradise."

Fr8monkey 07-04-15 11:05 PM

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eddie 07-04-15 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Frömmler Vogel (Post 2326345)
Good article from the Washington Post on the revision of history by supporters of the Confederate cause:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/postev...nts-are-wrong/

The civil war was only ever about white supremacy and any attempts to argue counter to that is simply dishonest.

Loved this part of his unbiased article-"Confederate cavalry leader Jubal Early ransomed $200,000 from them lest he burn their town, a sum equal to about $3 million today."

First, in his unbiased way, he forgot to mention Union General David Hunter, who had burned down parts of Lexington, Va and was heading for Lynchburg. That's when Lee dispatched Early and his 14,000 men to head him off. And Early drove him all the way back into West Virgina before he headed north. So yes, he threatened to burn Chambersburg, which was a payback for what Hunter did in Virginia. And early was NOT a Cavalry General, never had been. Always in charge of infantry.

Wonder what this authors thoughts are on how well freed slaves were treated in the North after the war ended. I can imagine what that fairy tale would be like,lol

Aktungbby 07-05-15 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by eddie (Post 2326401)
And early was NOT a Cavalry General, never had been. Always in charge of infantry.

NOPE: After graduating from the Academy, Early fought against the Seminole in Florida as a second lieutenant in the 3rd U.S. Artillery regiment : artillery is not infantry!

Torplexed 07-05-15 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by eddie (Post 2326401)
So yes, he threatened to burn Chambersburg, which was a payback for what Hunter did in Virginia. And early was NOT a Cavalry General, never had been. Always in charge of infantry.

And even you are making reading errors. It was the town of Frederick, Maryland that General Early ransomed and threatened to burn down, not Chambersburg. The town of Chambersburg, Maryland eventually was burned down later by Confederate cavalry in retaliation for Hunter's raid and for failing to provide a ransom of $100,000 in gold. I think the author's main point is that although Maryland was very tepid in it's support for the Confederacy when there still was one, and suffered some deprivations from the war, it tends to play up it's Southern monuments and heritage now for the tourist dollars.

And I do sometimes wonder if this endless mincing we Americans do over Civil War minutiae and flags isn't just a cover for dealing with the deeper issues.

Betonov 07-05-15 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed (Post 2326418)

And I do sometimes wonder if this endless mincing we Americans do over Civil War minutiae and flags isn't just a cover for dealing with the deeper issues.

It is. We have the same symptom.
Plus let's not forget for a magician (politician) to perform a magic trick (self serving) the audience (people) have too look at one hand (non important issue) so they don't see the other hand perform (steal)

Armistead 07-05-15 07:20 AM

The flag may actually make a comeback as a sign of defiance if this political correctness goes too far. Even in our small town we had a confederate soldier statute of a single man, actually the size of a man in front of a graveyard that had numerous CSA soldiers. Not long ago is was ran over with a truck and damaged by a black man on purpose. The SOC paid to have it repaired, but the city wouldn't put it back up. The end result it now sits more exposed on a hill with a CS flag over it on private property and most the politicians were voted out.

The flag is two fold, while it represents racism, it also reflects defiance and heritage, telling an overbearing govt. to kiss our ass. Slavery was a cultural issue then that had been in existence since mankind. The support for slavery goes back to biblical days. People were still just too ignorant to get it.

Beyond racism, people of like still tend to group together. Certainly not like my generation where all the whites hung out together and all the blacks hung out. People still feel safer and more comfortable around people that do and act like them. In our town, you have black churches and white churches. black sides of towns where few whites dare go. White sections or neighborhoods where blacks wouldn't roam for fear of arrest.

I think diversity of culture adds a richness to America, but it also separates us. The problem is political correctness good old southern heritage cannot be separated from racism for some, so now our history must be attacked and put away as well. The end result, we become even more divided, just more hidden.

No doubt slavery made people helpless and dependent on the democrat white "Massa", divided and destroyed families and sadly it continues today on Uncle Sam's plantation.

Oberon 07-05-15 07:32 AM

In short, is there any way to do something without over-reacting in the US?

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.co...6940136885.jpg

Torplexed 07-05-15 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2326469)
In short, is there any way to do something without over-reacting in the US?

Track record says no.

http://capitalogix.typepad.com/.a/6a...6ec5970b-800wi

Armistead 07-05-15 09:28 AM

Our melting pot of cultures, races, religions and politics has come to a boil and is running over.

Oberon 07-05-15 09:53 AM

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Aktungbby 07-05-15 10:22 AM

stars bars & Diehards!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 2326463)
The flag may actually make a comeback as a sign of defiance if this political correctness goes too far. it also reflects defiance and heritage, telling an overbearing govt. to kiss our ass.
I think diversity of culture adds a richness to America, but it also separates us. The problem is political correctness good old southern heritage cannot be separated from racism for some, so now our history must be attacked and put away as well. The end result, we become even more divided, just more hidden.

http://www.oldgloryprints.com/1st_TN_Color_Bearer.jpgYeah BBY! of course we could all head for Santa Barbara D'Oeste, Brazil where they still do it right! http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cps...26994687-1.jpg

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33245800 Dancin' on the colors http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cps...6_83815903.jpg

Torplexed 07-05-15 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2326514)
Yeah BBY! of course we could all head for Santa Barbara D'Oeste, Brazil where they still do it right!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33245800 Dancin' on the colors

Great. Now I have to figure which is scarier. Brazilian Confederates or Illinois Nazis. :hmmm:

http://pyxis.homestead.com/confederos-brazilios.jpg


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