No, now it is all Obama's fault. :03:


But i give five Botha points to Cpt. Haplo.

(comes from my students days, where we used to give such points for people supporting repression, apartheid, and generally believing in white supremacy)

Would you like me to go through it with you and pick out all the falsehoods, or would you prefer just doing the most ridiculous lies it contains?

Isn't that an American thing?:haha:

You are lumping several things together to make it seem true on the surface, that isn't how it works.

Is it? that's such a huge generalisation that you know it simply cannot be true.
Much like several pieces in that article.

We'll do this in a gentlemanly manner - Go ahead... and I'll 'repick'.
Unless you live(d) in ZA, you might find yourself been fed with, and believing other falsehoods.

Mandela and the ANC are one and the same.. He is/was their 'leader' and used so, up till his death. He might have retired from politics, but he was never 'far' from the ANC top brass.

I realise not the whole world is the 'herd', but the herd is still there - it was a generalisation, yes.

An interesting read.. going in the same direction: http://www.bdlive.co.za/opinion/colu...gainst-the-anc

:D
Right lets start with someone that global jewish conspiracy piece describes as moderate.
In regards the homelands, which of them by far consistently had the greatest number of gross violations of human rights?

In the period covered by the Truth commission, which group during the 1960-1994 timeframe topped the chart for those gross violations of human rights?
Was it the SAP, SADF, all the revolutionary groups combined....or the group led by Mr. Moderate?

Who requested that the apartheid government paid the legal fees for defending any of his parties members that were caught doing these acts yet were unable to escape a prosecution, since paying the fees from the party funds could result in bad publicity both locally and in the international arena if it became public knowledge?
Who also requested that the government which was guilty of crimes against humanity destroy all its paperwork in relation to their arrangements?

Can you describe the use of limpet mines shipped from Namibia for "self defence"?

Would you like to go further on the wide range of evidence supplied by the former regime about Mr. Moderate and his party or would you like to pick another category?
The Lithuanian Jew maybe, or necklacing, treatment of informers perhaps, contact with the outside world while a prisoner should be a funny one.
Take your pick ...or pick a better source next time:rotfl2:

Generalisations rarely work, when they are aiming to deal with a specific then they are almost certainly guaranteed to fail.

An interesting read, and absolutely nothing even remotely like that earlier conspiracy piece.
Should I point out that it contradicts the line you wrote about "one and the same"?

Did you see or hear any of the ANC attrocities at the Truth Commision. The ANC at the time, led by yours truly ?
I bet he would want forgiveness for the apartheid culprits (what a nice guy)... and quietly slip the ANC culprit's offenses under the carpet. Nelson (ANC) didn't tell you about that.

Which party in ZA in 2012 is quoted as topping all apartheid atrocities in one single event ? Who is their leader, iconic or otherwise ?
Not a word from within the 'party' about this event ??? Yet everyone else went ballistic.

You're very naive to think that gang bosses don't operate from within prison walls!

Next point!

Don't make excuses for one side atrocities and then pin the other side as the bad guys - they both were bad and wrong.
Remain focussed - the point is NM and his party - They are not the goodie two shoes that the herd make them out to be.
Post '94, NM and the ANC have been even more wrong... !!

You didn't read that piece, did you ? :D

NM hasn't separated himself from the ANC and never did - if he did he never told us. So for all his so called forgiveness he 'supported' an ANC that has resorted to racist and sexist policies.. and never once was there any criticism of these policies - policies that are equivalent the the apartheid gov.. and it's getting 'better' - and the world supports this type of thing. Great move on world hypocrisy !!

You might take from this that the ANC used him.. they did, and by the same token he used them.. don't forget that :-)

Does this remind you of the apartheid era... strangely familiar - I hope so as it's happening again - what are you going to say about this, this time ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O56d-xd8AuM

No need to panic :arrgh!:.. I'm done, made my point. :03:

Yes.
In case you missed it I already mentioned those to other people who were having problems with fact and suggested that they inform themselves.

Are you dumb?
Can you tell me who endorsed in its entirety that report you mention but appear not to have read?

Now then young man, please try and make sense, you are trying to show that the piece you linked to from the crazy people who think everything is a global jewish conspiracy does not contain lots of lies.
Besides which your maths is way out:yep:

You live just across the water from the island prison, can you explain how that communication worked over the years
One letter and one visitor every six months for 18 years:hmmm:
Hold on let me guess, the closely vetted workers in the one party regimes high security prison for political prisoners were really secret KGB generals and probably jewish:rotfl2:

I think you have to make a point before you say that.

errrrrrr....you make no sense
Remain focused, you said everything in that piece of rubbish you linked to was true.

If I didn't read it how could I know that it is nothing like the earlier piece you posted?
I am getting the feeling that you didn't read the earlier piece which you insist is entirely true.
After all it contains so many absolute howlers no one could insist
it was true if they had read it
As to your quote from the secomd article, I have to ask. How is your grasp of English?


You appear completely clueless, I get the distinct impression that you know practically nothing about matters on which you speak.
So much for local expertise


Your point being that you linked to a bunch of lies from people who are so crazy they make McCarthy look sane and insisted the obvious lies were true.
Great point you made
:rotfl2:

Tribesman.. Tribesman.. Tribesman.. Unless you live here and have lived here for the past 30-50 years.. you'll never know or understand how this place or its people 'work'.

A lot of overseas people think it's like Europe, USA.. etc... dream on!!
:haha:

In latest news the price of Stilton continues to fall while Wenslydale rises.....
so what has that got to do with your claim about the ludicrous article being all true or are you just discussing the price of cheese since your claims went south?

Have those people you talk about never looked at a map?

So.. do you live in South Africa or not.. can you explcitly claim inner knowledge of NM, the ANC, The Nats, PW botha.. FW De Klerk...etc ?

When you can, tell me.. and I might actually believe that that webpage you hate so much might be bogus - but that isn't so, not from this side of the world.. sorry!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKiePbTcAfY

I guess that exactly is the problem :hmmm:

So you are talking about the price of cheese, I thought so.
Goodbye young man, your effort is one of the most epic fails I have seen in a while.:rotfl2:

oh I see you edited.
So....... Your edit kinda makes your position even worse
facts are facts, facts do not change with location.
lies are lies, lies do not change with location.
I see you are still posting that silly video.
Could you as a local tell me what Prof. Kobus van Rooyen SC made of the complaints about it?