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Tribesman 11-24-13 05:11 AM

Does this topic need some moderation?
Where is Jimbuna?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-xlDfga4LE

STEED 11-24-13 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 2144005)
Does this topic need some moderation?
Where is Jimbuna?

A. In bed with his wife
B. Out shopping with the wife
C. In the car with the wife having a panic attack over her driving
D. You can can fill out D.

TarJak 11-24-13 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2144009)
A. In bed with his wife
B. Out shopping with the wife
C. In the car with the wife having a panic attack over her driving
D. You can can fill out D.

D. Doing the can can for his travel agent so he doesn't lose his 200 quid deposit.

STEED 11-24-13 05:28 AM

Back on subject..

Lodge a complaint with Huffington Post.

Jimbuna 11-24-13 06:24 AM

Not long out of the pit but trying to catch up on what I've missed.

areo16 11-24-13 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 2144003)
That wasn't aggressive, that was simple, you were talking crap.
Your pathetic attempts at insults are truly pathetic, grow a pair and sort your facts out before you start ranting.
It was pointed out very early in this topic that you were clearly mistaken in your views and conclusions, which means you are doing a faux outrage story worthy of the Daily Fail.
Instead of stopping and thinking you instead doubled down on your initial mistake and dug yourself deeper.
Come back when you are ready to think, or stay as you are, bent over with your head in the hole you dug yourself into and have people lining up at the very easy target you present.

Just to push the point home.

Obviously, as only a complete idiot would bring up the Flensburg government to make that point if they knew anything about it.
After all you would have to be really dense to use a cabinet full of Nazi war criminals, directly involved in all the worst aspects of the racist ideology, to try and make a point about some germans and the military not being actual raving loony Nazi pricks.

After I got done sifting through all the insults, I really couldn't find anything in your post of substance. It just seems like a big rant.

You neither lacked to prove that all the military leaders who took control of the government in late April and May were politicians before, nor did you add anything noteworthy.

You venting?
Things tough at home?
Life been rough on you?
Not paying your bills on time?

What is it? Perhaps I could talk you through it.

http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/k...be-alright.png

Tribesman 11-24-13 06:56 AM

Well wastegate, where to start with your nonsense?
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After I got done sifting through all the insults, I really couldn't find anything in your post of substance. It just seems like a big rant.
English not your language then?


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You neither lacked to prove that all the military leaders who took control of the government in late April and May were politicians before, nor did you add anything noteworthy.

English problems again?
Like I said , only a complete idiot would try and use the Nazi Flensburg cabinet as an example of nice clean non Nazi people without checking their former roles in the Nazi government and the positions they held in the Nazi regime, let alone the number of years or even decades that they had been loyal fully paid up Nazi party members.
So do you fit the bill?

Quote:

You venting?
Things tough at home?
Life been rough on you?
Not paying your bills on time?

What is it? Perhaps I could talk you through it.
Epic fail.:rotfl2:
Really, after all your reincarnations on this forum you should be able to manage some better trolling than that.

areo16 11-24-13 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 2144038)
Well wastegate, where to start with your nonsense?

English not your language then?



English problems again?
Like I said , only a complete idiot would try and use the Nazi Flensburg cabinet as an example of nice clean non Nazi people without checking their former roles in the Nazi government and the positions they held in the Nazi regime, let alone the number of years or even decades that they had been loyal fully paid up Nazi party members.
So do you fit the bill?


Epic fail.:rotfl2:
Really, after all your reincarnations on this forum you should be able to manage some better trolling than that.

Really?

This is what its come to? :nope:

Catfish 11-24-13 07:33 AM

"Nazis", well.
What was a Nazi ? It seems as if this term is the product of Hollywood and propaganda. Was Goebbels or Hitler a "Nazi" ? Sure. Was Keitel one ? Maybe. Was Lehmann-Willenbrock one ? Certainly not. Was Lueth one ? Certainly yes.
Was the Gestapo a Nazi organisation ? I'd say it was.
What did the CIA do in countless countries, is or was that "Nazi"?

And who was not a "Nazi" by allied view, in Germany of the time ? Even some abroad or so i have heard. You had to be a Nazi if you wanted to get a job, or be promoted between 1933 and 1945. A lot of german people made fun of those Nazis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc_-LU44n1o

When my father surrendered and was questioned (among other things) by a british officer if he had been a "Nazi", he clenched his teeth and curtly said "Of course i was."
So the officer walked around the table, shook his hand and said something like "Congratulations and thanks, you are the very first i meet here."


Can hardware like a tank be Nazi? Of course not, this is still good old propaganda. Of course, in some forums the Red Baron of WW1 was a Nazi.

Also U-boat crews of WW2 were mostly not Nazis at first, this happened a bit more often towards the end of the war, when the first generations were dead, and the second generation of ideologically 'styled' teens manned those boats.


What do you do if your generation goes to war, sit at home and wish them luck? Especially if another country declared war to you ? Or if you are drawn ? (also thinking of the jolly good old english manner of pressing men into service in the last centuries).
Is the man who presses the button to launch a cruise missile at a an unseen target sure that he will kill "the evil" ? He is following orders, and the duty of thinking has been taken away from him. The "Nazis" did nothing else.

I thought that thinking and deciding for oneself would be self-evident after 1945, or the Vietnam war. But when i see how the same dumb young people still pour into the military for their career i wonder ..

Onkel Neal 11-24-13 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by areo16 (Post 2143972)
As soon as you start filtering your repostings. :hmmm:

Why would I do that? The news team here does not make the news or the news articles, they simply collect and list exisiting news articles.

August 11-24-13 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by razark (Post 2143977)
I hear all the time how US forces were battling communist forces in Korea and Vietnam. The Nazi army was also facing communist forces, armed with communist planes and communist rifles and communist tanks. Not to mention how Reagan faced down and ended the communist threat. It's not limited to "Nazi", and it's a perfectly valid way of describing equipment used by Germany during the early 1940s.

This ^ :yep:

CaptainHaplo 11-24-13 10:31 AM

My grandfather on my mothers side was a Nazi. He had a wife and three children. He also had a gun to his head and was asked if he was a member or not. Had he chosen to answer wrongly, his family would have had to suffer through the final bit of the war without him, as a significant part of his brains would have been exiting his cranium immediately.

Many so called "Nazi's" did not believe in National Socialism or support Hitler. They still were members, by force.

We have no knowledge if those aboard were members of the party or not. It does not matter, for they died in service to a government that itself claimed the title "Nazi". That does not dishonor their sacrifice, but the context should also not be whitewashed, else we run the risk of whitewashing many actions and atrocities committed in the name of "the State".

Sailor Steve 11-24-13 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by areo16 (Post 2143914)
I'm no expert on the Third Reich, but I'm sure the person who was controlling the concentration camps wouldn't make his title "Mr. Slave labor".

Just an historical point. Albert Speer did not control the concentration camps, and insisted his whole life he didn't know about them. He also admitted this was by his own choice and that he should have known but intentionally turned a blind eye. Whether he was telling the truth about that is irrelevant; he was not accused of that during his trial. What he was accused of was transporting slave labor across national lines to work in his factories. He was indeed a leading party member.

I personally agree with you about the terminology involved, but find your anger a bit misplaced. Have you written to the newspaper in question complaining about this? Subsim is a tiny part of the World Wide Web, and what we do here has absolutely no bearing or influence on the real world. If it really bothers you so much you should be agitating for a retraction by the paper involved.

Sailor Steve 11-24-13 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 2144003)
a complete idiot

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 2144038)
a complete idiot

Quote:

Originally Posted by areo16 (Post 2144019)
Things tough at home?
Life been rough on you?
Not paying your bills on time?

What is it? Perhaps I could talk you through it.

Play nice, please.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 2144005)
Does this topic need some moderation?

It's being watched.

Tribesman 11-24-13 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif
a complete idiot
Relates only to a line of argument which is completely silly.


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