Well, I can't match Garren's story. Closest I ever came was getting thrown out of a whorehouse in Germany. Was funny though.

I have to ask something of Mookie - why do you see this thread as "anti-poor" and "anti-women"?

The problem here is not recalling anyone asking to be liberated. I don't recall anyone stating they are oppressed by a pair of breasts and require coaching from you. I really don't know what play book you use but my experience seeing women longing for the dominant demanding male are abusive relationships. My sister in law fits the bill to a tee. She is now a roaring alcoholic that is OK with her failing marriage, unruly delinquent kids, loser of a dominant husband, has moved from rental property to rental property just about monthly and does not know where her next meal is coming from. She always gravitated to the asshat dominant male. Each time an abusive relationship. Physically, mentally and sexually. Most times the male nothing more than a mooch. Keep your playbook. It's deranged at best.

I think you watch too much Lifetime channel. :hmmm:

But I do agree with Sean Connery's views...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo0d1zTAFKA

Rant warning - launching in 5....4.....3.....2....1....

As a Dominant and a Male - I am going to ask you to point out one thing to her next time you talk. Let her know it comes from someone who has decades of experience in the BDSM lifestyle....

Dominant does NOT mean domineering.

The punk wannabe's your describing are not Dominant - though people claim all kinds of things. Being Dominant isn't about telling someone else what to do, or overriding their will with your own.

Dominance starts at home, with self control and control of your life. That means any woman looking for a true Dominant needs to look at how he lives his life. Are his bills paid, is he in a stable job, is he respected by those around him? Being Dominant is a mindset that creates a personal standard for ourselves that we must live up to, before we ever consider guiding another.

Where I live there is a rather active BDSM community - one I am a respected member of. I actually am the owner of our "entryway" group, which is a designed launching point for new folks (or just new to our neck of the woods). Often, I mentor new "dom types" to help them see that "being D" isn't about what we do, its about who we ARE. I always point out one very important thing for them to think about....

If a man cannot control himself or his life, how can a woman ever trust him to control her or her life?

Now - not all Dom's are male and not all subs are female. So usually it is not gender specific, but in this case it would be....

Maybe I took the term "dominant" wrong in how you meant it - but if I didn't, also encourage her to look into her own local community - often it can help people see the vast differences between the fakes who are looking to mooch or simply score, with those of us who take our own Dominance seriously.

One final note - Dominant and submissive are roles, but they still rest on mutual respect. That is right - a good D respects submissives - and cherishes their own sub (s). A Dominant does not demand submission, for he or she has no need to do so... A Dominant INSPIRES submission.

I don't know, maybe if you watched a little more Lifetime channel you'd still have your relationship instead of being angry on the internet all day.

there is nothing lifetime about lifetime atleast last time i turned it on and that was a little over a year ago. but judging from what i see in the tv guide it still has the garbage reality TV shows which are far from reality. of cource many people eat the garbage up. look at survivor same show over and over again diferent people.

The point is that given his track record, garren isn't exactly the best candidate to give relationship advice. Right? Right.

I'm just glad I survived my player days. Playing around with prostitutes and women players a good way to get a dose of HIV. Not real smart.

I have a relationship with several women right now. Just had dinner with one earlier this evening. :O:

I'm not angry about anything really except seeing men moan and groan about why divorce sucks and how it sucks getting financially raped in court by women or arguing why the westernized world is in the slump it's in when they are all supporting the system that is screwing them from behind. It's this old and outdated gentlemen's code of being a chivalrous white knight that's helping to propel the very social movement that's made much of the problems for men to exist in the first place.

Hey check this out...

Why is it that back in 1950 (when women were so oppressed by those evil menfolk) that they were happier? If feminism has empowered women so much then why wasn't there much of any vulgarity aimed at women THEN compared to today? Like, back then, women were not referred to as the b-word, hos, sluts, whores, c-word, etc but today it's so common to hear these words when talking about women? Women hold "slutwalks" today so they can walk around practically nude in the streets and this is supposed to be empowering to women but they scold men who look at them in a sexual way. You should feel like a well trained dog. You can look doggy, but you better not bite.

And the vulgarity in music compared to the music back then is amazingly crude is it not? The music of today is so angry and aggressive and hateful. How about Lily Allen's song "Smile". Seems innocent enough right? But watch the video... It's anything but innocent and nice. It's just evil hate music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WxDrVUrSvI

And this type of music today is reflected by society's anger and hatred because these modern times suck for everyone. Women back in the 1950s were treated very well and respected for raising families in the home. Men saw the equality in it. A man works and a woman stays home. Two equally important roles that are needed to raise happy healthy children. Today that's almost all gone. There's more children being born to single mom's than to couples today. And that's taking a huge toll on the social welfare system which is bankrupting society.

Someone (the government under the order of the Rockefellers and Rothschild's) convinced women that they were oppressed and needed to up rise against their evil male oppressors (the same evil male oppressors who gave their lives so women could live on ships like the Titanic and those evil male oppressors who fought on the beaches of Normandy so women wouldn't have to). There's incentive for the government and large corporations to have women and men competing viciously against each other for jobs. More tax revenue for government allows for bigger government which allows for more control over the people it governs. Corporations get the benefit of having tons of applicants to choose from to work for them at cheaper wages. It's all about who's willing to work for the least amount. Back in the 1950s and before, corporations were in demand of people (men) to work for them and paid good money to their employees. A man could provide for his entire family, had extra money for the kids for college, and could save money for vacations and retirement. Today, people are in demand for corporations to hire them and the wages are barely enough to keep your head above water. People are living from paycheck to paycheck and have no money to save, no money to repair their homes, no money for college, no money for insurance, etc. and people today are working even more hours than the men in the 1950s.

And lets look at what's happening to the kids. Man goes to work and wife goes to work. Kids go to daycare where they are indoctrinated into the feminist ideology and to support socialism. Boys are punished for being rowdy and put on mind altering drugs like Ritalin because their female teachers can't handle the boys natural hyper aggressive behavior. Girls are given better grades because grades are subjective to what the teacher wants to give the children so quite naturally women teachers are going to mark up girl's based on behavior alone and maybe even for having better handwriting. Boys grow up in this environment feeling neglected and hated and then when they go to school and shoot everyone up people act like they don't know why? Back when most school teachers were men, boys outperformed girls in school. This is because male teachers can handle boys and teach them in ways boys learn. Female teachers teach girls in ways that girls learn better. Boys are at a huge disadvantage. Read the book - "The war against boys" by Christina Hoff Summers. She explains it all in great detail. Very informative book.

Anyways, I'm here to educate folks on what's happening to our society and why it's failing. There's a lot of dynamics involved so it not any one particular thing that's totally responsible but feminism and political correctness has a lot to do with it.

And if it's not reversed then it's only going to get worse and the westernized world is going to collapse and fall the exact same way as Rome did - under it's own weight. Same thing with Sodom and Gomorrah and Israel and many others from the past who indulged in political correctness, socialism, and ideologies spawned from socialism like feminism.

That's all well and good, however, garren states the nice guy is boring them(women). Well, if they are not nice that would make them mean and respect for dominant and submissive roles as you put it go out the window. This then is an abusive relationship. Perhaps your rant would have been better spent on the single notion of garrens that women find nice guys boring. From my experience noted about my sister in law, garren is 100% right, nice guys bored her. Abusive dominant males she craved. She dated nice stable, goal oriented men only to drop them for the man who's future prospects included couch potato and mooching. I really don't think garren is discussing BDSM. According to garren, nice guys finish last.

well AVG from a stand point garren is correct that the nice guys finish last. a prime example being nice nerds/geeks vs the jerk jocks in a high school enviroment. 9 times out of 10 the jocks get the good looking girls or the popular ones. while the nerds get well the leftover unatractive ones if they get a girl at all. now fast forward 20-30 years the old jocks don't have the girls anymore while the nerds/geeks well if they are lucky they have money but in turn they have become the new jerks and have "finished". or they are still at the bottom of the socal scale and still "trying to finish"

A bit Off Topic...but can you picture somebody steaming mad all day...sitting down?

I can't.

0800 "I'M PISSED! AH!! I WANT TO PUNCH A HOLE IN THE WALL"

1530 "YOU IDIOT! CAN'T YOU SEE I'M MAD!"

0100 "STILL PISSED THE HELL OFF. HAVEN'T SLEPT IN 3 DAYS"

Makes me laugh trying to picture that and how that person goes about their day.

Continue with the regularly scheduled thread. :yep:

Prime example is high school? Spare me the details of the dismal puberty experienced in high school. :88) Just what are they trying to finish?

People not familiar with the BDSM lifestyle may have a problem understanding this.

A well written post. :up:

1. As others have posted, no one has asked you to "educate" anyone
2. You have not established any credibility on why anyone would want to be "educated" by you.
3. You have not established that you have any education or experience in sociology or any related field that would give you the information necessary to "educate" anyone on any society.
4. The manner in which you try to "educate" people on this forum does not bode well for your capability to educate anyone.

What you are good at is stating your opinions. That's great :up: That is one of the purposes of GT-- to allow people to state their opinions. But never confuse stating opinions with education. :nope:

They are not the same.