Again, people talk about the good old days concerning fond memories and experiences. You point out the good old days where not always so good. But that is besides the point, media was not as direct as it is today. People read papers and news on TV did not have full on graphics or interview a 8 year old directly after surviving a multiple killing not but ten feet from him. This is the difference Tak. Its a free for all to get a rating. Its a free for all to get a box office blow out no matter what it takes. In the good old days presentation was much different than today. This certainly plays a part in kids lives today.

I've taught a lot of kids, and many of them had bad parents. They didn't pull out firearms and murder their classmates and teachers. They also didn't grow up and murder their coworkers or people at a shopping mall.

If only good parenting could reduce mental illness.

But you could argue that it has become a nescessity in mainstream now, back then, those were the exceptions, now most movies (wrongly) try for the gore, or the sex and drugs, or the moral wrongs. Its becoming more and more mainstream.

This is action replay of our 'poor are lazy' argument. You tell me that it is not what you are doing, and then turn around and do just that. C'mon, man, at least come clean on it.

No but good parenting can definately affect how that child views the world and turns out. Ive seen it with my nephew, he has autism, used to be real rowdy, my sister came into the picture (she is his stepmother) and raised him as one of her own, and now he is doing quite well for being autistic.

Here we go, the usual Talk gotcha moment. No, Tak, come clean on believing the media of old is as it is today. No where did I say everything about the good old days are all good. Please find my post were I state the good old days were all lollipops. Find any post were I don't support the idea that there was issues back then. Find a post where I said it was all handled the same across the board.

Where to start with that one:doh:
but hey as you are so youing surely you should be one of the generation who got brought up without parents losing the plot and resorting to the belt.

Add me to the list, but there has never been even the slightest mention or thought of the kids getting a slap for not doing what they are told.

Autistics are not mentally ill, they are mentally disabled. There is a difference. We are talking about depression and anxiety-based disorders. You can't parent those away. As a society, we need to do a better job of getting people that suffer from such disorders the help that they need. Sadly, mental illness remains a higly-stigmatized condition, and many hide it rather than get help. Then the sort of thing we saw on Friday happens.

But we are so quick to pin it on a mental illness. You have seen bad parents but good kids. It must be mental illness certainly. I would guess this is the reason prescribing pills like candy status quo.

And that's just a quick persual. However, you're getting a bit hot under the collar, so I think this is a good time for me to back away. You win.

Let me clarify, I got grounded, yelled at, scorned when I didnt do as I was told (Chores, forget my manners etc.) I got the belt and grounded when I did things I definately should have known not to do (Stole a pack of gum when I was a kid, got into a fight) My parents were good to me but they were firm, they let me know where the line stood, and you know what? I didnt dare cross it, I hated them back then, that was me being a teen.

Okay you make a good point there, touche' Tak.

Sorry Casey you just don't make any sense.:nope:

If you didn't dare cross it then how were you still getting a beating for crossing it?

We must be talking about two different movies then because that movie was nothing compared to the stuff they put on TV nowadays let alone in the movies.

Like I said Takeda it's not only the special effects but the sheer volume they bombard us with. You had to span a decade to come up with those examples. The Saw franchise alone has seven movies and two video games. Friday the 13th, twelve movies and a TV show , Nightmare on El street 9 movies. Both of the latter also have novels aimed at youngsters too. All of them are also slasher movies not horror movies. There's a difference.

Seriously? I am not even Christian, or religious at all, but to put FEAR in a childs mind IS wrong. On top, Christianity is about love, is it not?

On top, while it may not destroy every kids soul right away when it may get physically punished by their parents, there is an undeniable danger that this might happen and that this might have huge consequences for this child later in life - as we have already seen many times.

Sure, someone with a clean childhood background can go nuts too but it is very rare in comparison. Many criminals were physically and/or sexually abused in their childhood, experienced no love etc.

This can destroy a childs soul quickly and maybe not very noticeable at first. Often, the child will later reflect its experiences onto its own children.

There is no need to beat a child, ever!
And this is no hippie-yibberish (like some ppl really believe), it is simply a psychological fact, the truth.
If parents "must" physically punish their kids - I dare to say, they failed!

Worst, they now punish the child for their own failure, if you catch what I try to say?

Excuse this comparison, but maybe this makes more sense:
If you have a dog and let him have something from your dinner table, you do not have any rights to later punish the dog for begging in the future

Just my 2 cents.