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Dread Knot 12-15-12 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 1975876)
Culture has changed. When I was in high school, many of us had our rifles on our gun racks in our trucks so we could get an afternoon of hunting in. There were no cops, metal detectors, etc.....You never heard of school shootings. What few mass shootings we had were of a political nature.

I thought the same thing until I remembered then 16-year old Brenda Ann Spencer, who in 1979 instigated a shooting spree upon an elementary school from her bedroom window, killing two and injuring nine. Her now infamous rationale. "I don't like Mondays."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brenda_Ann_Spencer

At age 50, we're still supporting her in prison. I have a feeling that the Sandy Hook Elementary killer's motives whatever they are will be as as unsatisfying and baffling as her's were then.

mookiemookie 12-15-12 10:00 AM

The perfect solution fallacy is going to rear its head a lot in the coming days and weeks. "We shouldn't do anything in regards to gun laws because criminals will still have guns no matter what!" Complete eradication of gun violence is not the expected outcome. Making it harder for people who shouldn't have guns to get them is.

In any case, I still think our time, energy and money would be better spent increasing access to mental health care. I think we've seen in graphic detail lately what sort of effect untreated mental health issues can have on society.

I cannot, on any level, see how someone can murder babies because of some issue that they had. I have no clue what was going on in this person's life, but I cannot imagine any scenario where the logical course of action would be to do what he did. It's absolutely baffling. I guess trying to make sense of it is a futile exercise.

Absolutely shameful.

Kptlt. Neuerburg 12-15-12 11:16 AM

It is indeed a sad thing when something such as this happens. My first thoughts were "WTF is wrong with these people!!!!", and now begins the processing of who, what and why. Frankly I do find that in the US that it takes a major shooting where many lives are lost before the pro gun control and pro gun rights people start to talk is quite unsettling.There always should be talks of how to better control guns and improve public safety overall without having to sit and wait until the next mass shooting happens. I have no doubt that the coming days will be a sandwich filled with talks of the shooting, the shooter(s), pros and cons of gun control with smatterings of fiscal cliff dealings. :nope::nope::nope:

geetrue 12-15-12 12:04 PM

Lot of misinformaion going on ...

First of all the shooter (gunman Adam Lanza's) mother wasn't even a teacher at the Sandy Hook school and her home wasn't even near the school, but located way across town.

The shooter had tried to purchase a gun at a local Connecticut gun store on tuesday
(note that's the same day the shooting at the shopping mall in Portland, Oregon took place)
and he was denied.

The reason given was that he would have to wait for the gun.

That was on the 11th of December on the 13th of December just two days later the shooter got into some kind of
altercation with four adults at the Sandy Hook school.

Three of those adults died the next day on friday the 14th of December.

One of the four that he had a problem with was not at school that day.

The shooter did not get buzzed in past the new security system that the principal had just installed that wouldn't even let a parent in
without ID on the day in question, but forced his way in wearing a bullet poof vest with four weapons firing over hundred shots
before taking his own life.

Spells premeditated murder of his mother and then took his anger out on those poor little children at the Sandy Hook school.

Hell is where the damed go to wait for the final verdict ...
it is not a resting place :o

Jimbuna 12-15-12 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by geetrue (Post 1976130)

Hell is where the damed go to wait for the final verdict ...
it is not a resting place :o

You may well be right.

August 12-15-12 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by geetrue (Post 1976130)
but forced his way in wearing a bullet poof vest with four weapons

Two weapons, not four, both pistols. He left the rifles in the car, probably because they aren't as well suited for mass murder as handguns.

u crank 12-15-12 02:41 PM

Still coming to grips with this as I'm sure so many others are. When ever I think about it or see it on the news my head and my heart ache. I can make no sense of it. I'm not a great sleeper and every time I woke last night this came into my mind. And the survivors. How do you explain to six and seven year old children the meaning of this? Will they ever get over it?

I have no answers, only questions.

But this comes to mind...

"This great evil. Where does it come from? How'd it steal into the world? What seed, what root did it grow from? Who's doin' this? Who's killin' us? Robbing us of life and light. Mockin' us with the sight of what we might've known. Does our ruin benefit the earth? Does it help the grass to grow, the sun to shine? Is this darkness in you, too? Have you passed through this night?"

Jimbuna 12-15-12 02:58 PM

Latest update from the VBC...not sure how accurate it is though:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20738998

Armistead 12-15-12 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1976175)
Two weapons, not four, both pistols. He left the rifles in the car, probably because they aren't as well suited for mass murder as handguns.

Reports differ, CNN reporting he had 4 guns, but carried 3 in the school, including the 223, left one in the car. They also reported several other guns found at the mothers house. Others are saying he carried only the pistols in. That makes more sense to me.

Time will tell.

Course the liberal media is making it a big gun issue.

Biggles 12-15-12 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 1976208)

Course the liberal media is making it a big gun issue.

Shouldn't they? I'm not gonna linger on the subject since it's non of my business, not being an American and all, but it seems to me that some sort of change has to be made regarding weapons in your country...

Regardless, it's a horrible story indeed, and I am sincerely sorry for anyone who is in any way affected by it.

Oberon 12-15-12 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1976175)
Two weapons, not four, both pistols. He left the rifles in the car, probably because they aren't as well suited for mass murder as handguns.

Coroner has just announced that the primary weapon used was a rifle.

August 12-15-12 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1976241)
Coroner has just announced that the primary weapon used was a rifle.


Link? No mention of that in any news source I could find.

Armistead 12-15-12 03:56 PM

Police briefing....the 223 was the primary weapon...most children were shot numerous times with the 223. I think the Coroner said all had been shot more than once.

Jimbuna 12-15-12 04:00 PM

This link suggests six weapons in total:

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CNN is reporting Lanza had six guns - three more than previously thought. It is believed he used three at school including a Bushmaster assault rifle, while police have now found three more rifles at the second crime scene.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ting-live.html

Armistead 12-15-12 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggles (Post 1976220)
Shouldn't they? I'm not gonna linger on the subject since it's non of my business, not being an American and all, but it seems to me that some sort of change has to be made regarding weapons in your country...

Regardless, it's a horrible story indeed, and I am sincerely sorry for anyone who is in any way affected by it.

We in fact have made many changes. These areas have strict gun rules. The fact is we're a culture of guns, we have hundreds of millions of them, registered and not.

My only wish is any gun dealer must be a brick and mortar building, trained and certified with all aspects of guns and training. We have too many out of truck dealers.

These acts will continue.


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