90% How was this figure obtain? :hmmm:

By and large, many proclaim faith in Santa I believe. But then there are the C and E people. These folks arrive to church on Christmas and Easter, looking oddly out of place and very uncomfortable.

It wasn't. It was a joke, with some apparent truth behind it.

I've known a great many people who went to church their whole lives and never believed. I have known many who do believe, and spend their spare time studying the Bible and not much else. Most of the world, as you point out, will say they believe, but never seem to show it, only attending church on special occasions and spending most of their time ignoring the attending rules and commandments.

I no longer believe, and yet I don't truly disbelieve, claiming only that I don't know. Being honest, this leads me to wonder whether I truly believed when I claimed to, the only real evidence for belief, as Jesus said, is your actions and deeds. So, while I can't see into anyone else's heart it looks to me like if someone doesn't actively live the Christian life then it can be safely said that they only give lip service.

Yes, I think that's a good point also. I think that the overwhelming majority of abortion opposition is faith-based. I don't have the statistics, so I could be wrong.

For you religious guys every opposition to you wanting to have your ways, unobstructed, is "too loud". You want more space, and at the cost of others not sharing your claims: you nevertheless demand them to give room to you, and accepting less for themselves. In other words: double standards regarding freedom: freedom for you, and those not agreeing are expected to fall back and shut up and accept their freedom being cut.

Sorry, not with people like me.

So according to you I go around and attack people. Ah yes. That implies I actively engage and go on the offensive. Well, problem with religious zealots and hypocrites - I mean people like you, if you have not noted it - is that they measure with double standards.

Let'S have a reality check on my active creation of opportunities to raid others and land a score by sniping at their religion.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sear...archid=1452112

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sear...2&pp=50&page=2

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sear...2&pp=50&page=3

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sear...2&pp=50&page=4

I ended the record at the beginning of this year.

If that proves anything, than not that I am going around and go after religious people. But I certainly - and have said that many times - react to other people raising religious issues in threads. I recommended to not do so and leave that kind of stuff out of this forum. Many times. I agree that I am a regular participant in such talks that get created by others. But that does not prove I am after my chances to victimize poor religion where I can. It only proves how often religious topics and opinions get brought up by others - and you and other believing people here expecting people like me to stay put and fall silent and not opposing these views and hide our own even if we see religious views corrupting scientific terms and concepts, or politics, history, education, society, or whatever. and then you are surprised if this gets rewarded with occasional mockery or angry attack?

And this double standard, dear Takeda, is something that goes along all too naturally with you.

And while on two or three occasions in the past two or three weeks you fired a quick shot obviously aimed at my direction in some threads where I even had not participated until then, you have the nerve to still posture as the victim, the target of"my crusade for atheism and supression of religion? The truth is you just cannot stand it when religion is being challenged by argument and demands for reasonable checks and evidence, and gets called by its real name, and gets recommended to be left in the private cabin where it belongs. You want card blanche for it, and all who do not agree with it should step aside for it. Heck, you even have started to snipe at me where I even was not engaged in any religious comment at all just because you know how I think on religion! And just days ago you mourned about religion-bashing "starting again" - in a thread where it was not even made an object! I had to grin when I read that.

This all makes you a hypocrite just like any other fundamentalist. And I do not differ between Christian fundamentalist or Quranic Muhammeddans or Jewish orthodox or whatever the idol is called by name. They are all the same, and they all want the same. And that would be equal to the death of free society, freedom of expression, and secular society.

I've said this in these or similiar words so often:

That is somethign religion certainly has issues with. Okay then, let it have issues with it. Bring it on.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...3&postcount=67

Read that post. Then come back and apologize. I'll be here.

@ Skybird: All four of you links lead to "Sorry, no matches", at least for me.

Check for my record of launched threads from my profiles. That is what the links were about, listing all threads I launched since January this year. Originally I had 12 screenshots, but imageshack does not work well for me, creating blurred images only. Don't know why.

Hope you have patience, for you will need plenty of it.

What you claim to be like, I am not that much interested in. What you actually say and do is what gets my attention. And the recent weeks of comments by you were a revelation for me and have made me skipping one name from my list of forum members that for many years I always held in very high respect and considered to be one of the most reasonable people around this board. But no more. I do not believe your self-description anymore.

But as you already told me in the recent past you do not care for your reputation with me anyway, so you must not feel concerned by that.

I also repeatedly offered you the opportunity to leave behind the personal conflict between us that this all has turned into. I stayed calm where you kept on attacking me, offered a relaxed dose of humour as an opportunity to defuse a situation, and did not react on several occasions where I would have had all reason to react sharply. I hoped you would see that, and just avoid me like I wanted to avoid you. Well, did not work. Maybe I was too subtle, could be.

Over the years, I have apologized in this forum to people, occasionally, were I was wrong, or let my temper go wild with me, or I realised that conflict was deriving from misunderstandings. And I'm ready to do so again if the need arises. But the apology you demand here , is something I let you wait over until this forum has seized to exist.

I called you out on that before and you chose to ignore it. I'll say it again: Find where I have ever said that my religious view should be forced on anyone. As we say in the 'states, time to put up or shut up.

I suspect that you simply do not like to have your views challenged. I would then suggest that discourse on an internet forum may not be for you.

You're going to make me edit because you keep editing:

Bull. I've addressed your views. You see it as personal. I've never called you the names that you can called me (igrorant, simplistic, foolish, et al). If you could, I have no doubt that I would be on your ignore list like everyone else that has the audacity to disagree with you. Again, if you aren't big enough to have those views challenged, then maybe you aren't big enough to play here. Grow up.

In one night, this thread has gained 5 pages!

This is incredible!

Try "predictable".

Seriously. Post a contentious topic and be amazed when it takes off. :doh:

I am not interested in your selfdescription of what you claim to be and then dress your words around that accordingly - I take note of that you measure by double standards as described earlier, and I draw the consequence from your recent way of behavior. Deeds count heavier to me than words. I certainly do not expect you to agree with my view of you, now. Bye.

They do. And all considered, they're saying a lot more about you than they do about me. You deliberately misrepresented me time and time again, and you are proud of it. Shame on you. :down:

Oi, I go to a Catholic school, and if I screamed out "Jesus is a fake! The Pope is a paedophile!" the most I'd get would be a slap on the wrist by the teachers.