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I neither promote or prevent anyone from complaining.

Time to call bull on the drive by troll.
So Sport, You young man have never been Santorum or satan so cannot know anything on the subject so you had better not say anything about it, I think everyone should put you on the ignore list until you do shut up and leave this forum.:yeah:

One very interesting point in this topic on page 2.....
Reading this thread, a very plausible hypothesis occurs to me.
very very plausible, yet last election cycle your current president got verbally flayed for saying something so obvious, though perhaps he got ripped into so much because he stated the obvious about both the religion and guns.

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1845623)

Well yes I would like to see the abortion question settled because the constant acrimony over it is tearing at the fabric of my country. People have been assaulted, even murdered over it.

Which is certainly wrong, but that's the fault of the people who do it, not of the victims, nor of the difference itself. The question can never be over as long as two different opinions exist.

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I would think any sane person would want to see that ended, but again I don't care one way or the other whether it's legalized or banned so please don't try and pick a side for me.

Where did I pick a side for you? I pointed out what I percieved as a contradiction in your observations on the power of complaint and its uses.

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I'd say that people have the right to speak if they are the final authority. That doesn't mean they are an authority at all, nor does it prevent you or me or anyone from voicing our disagreement or support. I still don't see where anyone is restricted from doing that in any way.

Again I think you miss my point. I only spoke against people who assume they are right, and have the only answer. I didn't say they couldn't or shouldn't speak, but that they should be regarded with concern because they are incapable of seeing that they might be wrong, and that inability is what makes them dangerous.

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As for your dangerous comment, i didn't "avoid" it, I just didn't see much point in commenting on it. What you call dangerous one might call decisive.

And decisiveness can be effectual. Or dangerous. There's no way of telling which it will be, and it should be watched carefully.

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"Try to turn it around on you"? "Made it personal"?

Look Dude obviously I am no longer able to communicate my thoughts with the people on this board. Since you see my post as a personal attack then I guess i'll concede the field to you. I'm not getting into another pissing match, especially not with someone whom i have respect for.

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Seems to me you're inventing a reason to get upset and a shadowy enemy to blame it on. That's a tactic used by every dictator who ever came to power.

That wasn't personal? I used "dictator" in a general sense, aimed at the idea that it is dictators who eliminate all compromise along with dissent. You seemed to be pointing the term directly at me.

I apologize if that wasn't the case.

Without compromise there would have been no Constitution.

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1845555)

As August mentioned, no sooner had they claimed they hated parties they began to form them.

Guess it would help if I read the whole thread before jumping in. :O:

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George Washington and John Adams are called 'Federalists', but in fact they adhered to no official party. Secretary Of State Thomas Jefferson and Secretary Of The Treasury Alexander Hamilton fought tooth-and-nail over several issues. Hamilton finally won when Jefferson had had enough and resigned. When Adams and Jefferson ran against each other Hamilton supported Adams. Jefferson called himself a Republican because he believed in a Republic, and Hamilton called himself a Federalist because that was the term that was already being applied to those of his philosophy thanks to the Federalist papers. Jefferson's friend James Madison started a grass roots movement supporting Jefferson. When Jefferson defeated Adams the second time they ran against each other, Hamilton accused Madison of creating the first real political party in America, and he was probably right. Ever since they've been playing the same games against each other.

Okay. Now I see where it all went off track. Thank you. :salute: