Steve,

Its not worth the time. Let it go. There are more interesting things to worry about. Thanks for pointing out the obvious though.

Personally I find all the trolling and flaming annoying as heck. Not because it's rude and ignorant to other people, which in itself is annoying and shows the lack of respect that I had come to expect between members here at Subsim, but because it clogs up the threads with useless banter when others are trying to actually debate and talk and display fact and further encourage learning.

Take for example, the post about the possible connection between trolls and monsters in folklore and with the existence of Neanderthals in our subconcience. Interesting stuff, and I'm sure if the thread were pursuing a debate on that I'm sure we'd find something interesting, but instead we're wasting our time arguing with someone who, obviously, is unwilling, or cannot see a way, to change his ways while Mods stand idly by bantering with him as well. Brig him and be done with it, because he's not going to change as can be seen through multiple other threads where these attacks have occurred. Otherwise ignore it and move on.

I believe you were the one that told me this, and it's actually had a great impact on how I debate with people in person, on the internet, or even go about arguing points in essays in school, but it goes something like:

The point of a debate is not to "win" per se, but rather to further increase one's knowledge on the subject.

Anyways, just wanted to share some thoughts on the subject.

Cheers,

Krauter

Edit: Also, it amazes me how an innocent thread about Neanderthals and our ancestors getting raunchy turns into an argument about religion and such :D

Obviously.

well, i think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion.

i dont think tribesman directed as much emotion as he was given back by steve and haplo. He acted out of line, but i think hes just controversial and argumentative. I think everyone just got a little too emotional.

arguments tend to escalate, even on subsim.

@Krauter i believe you try to see the idealism of these threads, but fact is that people are controversial, and as innocent as it may be, anything that can be related to such things as politics and religion will ultimately end up becoming an argument on such things.

i come here to find more reasoned discussion, but turns out that there are rarely any arguments that result in someone giving way. everyone sticks to their guns, and it takes alot to get many people to take such things into much deliberation. People who believe in religion and those who dont never get anywhere with each other, because if it did, there would be less banter. but such is human emotion and thought. People are just Stubborn.

Indeeed, but some get way too emotional and are really unwilling to debate at all.
I would welcome any discussion on the folklore and Christian scripture and the strange beings which crop up alongside humans....but some people have a real problem with scripture and marrying it to their views which are apparently based on....scripture:03:

You mean like encouraging someone to read the books they are supposedly basing their views upon?
Come along Krauter learn for yourself, start at the begining and see how many lines you can read before biblical literalism begins to fall apart.
If you are unwilling to do that or do it and are unwilling to accomodate what you have learnt into your view then you would be displaying that you are uninterested in debate and wish to discourage learning.

you mean creationism taken apart?
If so, i take a stab at it here http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...sm#post1207106

Oh no not that thread again.

Sorry, but he did ask and I answered to the best of my ability :cry:

As long as it doesn't get resurrected again :shucks: once was enough

Good stuff.:salute:

Tribesman never gets emotional. It's what makes him so effective. It seems you haven't read too much of his "work".

That simply isn't true Steve.

That was a good thread, it contained plenty of good arguements and some very good links.

Fair enough, but we can only judge people on a forum by the way they post.

As my religious views are something not up for discussion on a board like this, I will not read any biblical literations provided by you, or anyone else, I guess I'm not up to debate and learning, but that's your view I guess.

Such is the human nature, both to be stubborn and hard headed, as well as naive, but I remember a while ago when threads, to me at least, seemed to be a little more civil and at least a little ring of respect within them.