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Sailor Steve 12-02-10 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1545462)
Because a combination of both is needed to address the deficit.

Funny, it didn't take both to create it.

GoldenRivet 12-02-10 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1545518)
By this time next year Healthcare Reform will be gone, the tax code will be perfect, the economic crisis will be a thing of the past, the poor will be ejected to Mexico, Afghanistan will be a US territory, the border will be perfectly secured and every airport in the nation will be named after Ronald Reagan. Utopia.

I wouldnt go that far ;)

But i can sure think of a few things that won't happen

Takeda Shingen 12-02-10 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet (Post 1545524)
I wouldnt go that far ;)

But i can sure think of a few things that won't happen

Yeah, I was pulling the chain on a lot of that. In seriousness, though, Team R sold the American people on the complete and total repeal of Healthcare Reform. It is what they preached and screeched about during the entire campaign. Should they achieve anything less, their tenure will be a failure. I suspect that failure waits in the wings.

mookiemookie 12-02-10 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1545529)
. In seriousness, though, Team R sold the American people on the complete and total repeal of Healthcare Reform. It is what they preached and screeched about during the entire campaign. Should they achieve anything less, their tenure will be a failure. I suspect that failure waits in the wings.

And here we see the poor short term memory of the American voting public. In regards to health care reform, he did exactly what he said he would do in the '08 campaign (aside from a public option).

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ises-resolved/

Takeda Shingen 12-02-10 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1545534)
And here we see the poor short term memory of the American voting public. In regards to health care reform, he did exactly what he said he would do in the '08 campaign (aside from a public option).

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ises-resolved/

I think you are right there. Obama acted exactly in the manner he said he would. My point was that he was derided for having an unrealistic vision in his Hope and Change mantra. The irony is that Team R got itself elected by promising a very similar impossiblity in the total repeal of Healthcare Reform. They do not have the votes to accomplish this, and very well knew that they wouldn't back when they were promising to do so, selling the American public yet another lemon in the process. I believe their feet should be held to the fire, just as they did to Team D. Total repeal or failure is the game, and they set the rules themselves.

The parties are so similar that we need those little R's and D's just so we can tell them apart.

GoldenRivet 12-02-10 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1545534)
And here we see the poor short term memory of the American voting public. In regards to health care reform, he did exactly what he said he would do in the '08 campaign (aside from a public option).

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ises-resolved/

While i agree with some of the health care reform bullet points.

the problem is the Democrats outright refusal to budge on the parts that the right didnt agree with.

American's are becoming more and more dependent on government to take care of them.

some of us tend to think that is a dangerous position to be in.

others just look forward to the first and the fifteenth. :nope:

Tchocky 12-02-10 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet (Post 1545540)
the problem is the Democrats outright refusal to budge on the parts that the right didnt agree with.

So, about that public option then...

mookiemookie 12-02-10 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1545537)
The parties are so similar that we need those little R's and D's just so we can tell them apart.

Indeed. The Republicrats and the Democans are two sides of the same filthy rotten coin.

GoldenRivet 12-02-10 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky (Post 1545541)
So, about that public option then...

if its the public option "not to have a damned thing to do with this bill" then we are good.

Growler 12-02-10 12:35 PM

In the great reckoning of things, we are those people who are standing in the streets listening to the strains of a fiddle emanating from Washington, while the acrid odor of smoke builds around us.

And amazingly enough, instead of fighting the fires, many Americans are content to accept the warmth and light that the government provided. Others don't even smell the smoke. /allegory

Politicians are looking out for themselves. Don't let anyone fool you on that score. They are not concerned with the "right thing" anymore; it's all about the "politically-expedient" thing. War on Drugs was the right thing, right? Sure, if you're a Defense Contractor. AVGWarhawk'll tell you - take a walk down a few blocks from the Inner Harbor in B-more and tell me how that War on Drugs is working for you.

Gun control's a funny joke, too. I'm sure ever gun offender in B-more committed his crime with a legally owned gun. Yup. Sure thing.

And what are Americans doing about it? Screaming, "Save us, Uncle Sam! Protect us from ourselves!"

Americans have reached the infantile point of wanting someone else to be responsible for EVERYTHING that goes wrong, yet get credit for everything that goes right.

And the sad thing is, none of the above is exclusively true about one faction or another: It's a collective observation of everything the media is saying on one side about the other, and vice-versa.

I have yet to walk into a store and ask the owner if they're for or against tax cuts, then basing my decision to purchase on that. We're all in a tizzy over a totally useless government system that is slowly regulating us to death, and life is still going on.

What's the disconnect, then? Apathy? A sense of powerlessness? Irresponsibility?

AVGWarhawk 12-02-10 01:00 PM

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AVGWarhawk'll tell you - take a walk down a few blocks from the Inner Harbor in B-more and tell me how that War on Drugs is working for you.
I can't I'm to busy dodging bullets! :o

The Third Man 12-02-10 03:16 PM

Honestly, as of now the Democrats have the majority in the House of Representatives, the Senate and the White House. If other things than Tax Cut extention are needed it can and will be done.

If they aren't done, and they are important, it is only the Democrats who are to blame.


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