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Bubblehead1980 09-27-10 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JSLTIGER (Post 1503007)
I'm surprised no one has mentioned it thus far, so I will...I nominate the Brewster F2A Buffalo, another plane derided by its pilots as a flying coffin. The sad thing is that I grew up about a mile away from where they built these things back in WWII in Warminster, PA.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...A-3_g16055.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_F2A_Buffalo

I'm sorry, but this one just has to take the cake...it's one fugly airplane.

You beat me to it, was going to nominate it.I actually talked to an old WW II aviator who was giving tours at the National Museum of Naval Aviation in Pensacola, FL(my hometown) during one of my visits there about five years ago.This gentleman(often wonder if he is still with us) said was rather frank about his dislike for the Buffalo.

Bubblehead1980 09-27-10 04:42 AM

F-105 Thunderchief, the combat losses were well, outrageous.The Thud lacked the more advanced bomb sights and thus was forced to dive bomb, much like a WW II era dive bomber.The Thud, while very fast was large and not that agile, pilots had a difficult time evading SAMs and clouds of flak that other planes dealt with but did not suffer the loss rates.

Brave me they were, to go into battle in a plane like that...

Jimbuna 09-27-10 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1503352)

"No, Tim! Don't turn! DON'T TURN!"

LOL :DL


The Dornier DO-X only three were ever built.

http://varifrank.com/images/Dornier-Do-X_1.jpg

Gerald 09-27-10 06:20 AM

A large German aircraft (DO-X), but hardly a military objects

krashkart 09-27-10 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1503532)
LOL :DL


The Dornier DO-X only three were ever built.

http://varifrank.com/images/Dornier-Do-X_1.jpg

A flying yacht. :DL

But certainly not a Raymond Luxury Yacht. :timeout:

Oberon 09-27-10 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1503283)
What wings? :O:

Those stubs they put the fuel tanks and 'winders on? :haha:

That hardly makes an aircraft bad. I would ratchet that up to poor leadership at an strategic level.

EDIT: Don't forget the F-104 was the first jet with the M61 cannon. A 100% pure piece of whoopass.

Yeah, but then again a lot of dud aircraft are a case of putting it in the wrong role or bad judgments in the design or deployment level, or quite simply being completely outclassed by the opposition. The Buffalo held its own in Finnish hands but fell apart when facing Zippos.

The M61 was originally a pure piece of FOD don't forget ;) The M61A1 was where things finally came along ;)

Raptor1 09-27-10 07:13 AM

Not sure if it counts, but how about the S-class Zeppelins?

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/6...0/NA015733.jpg

Jimbuna 09-27-10 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by krashkart (Post 1503543)
A flying yacht. :DL

But certainly not a Raymond Luxury Yacht. :timeout:

As close as you'll get :DL

Gerald 09-27-10 07:15 AM

Was it a military commitment,
 
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Originally Posted by Raptor1 (Post 1503565)
Not sure if it counts, but how about the S-class Zeppelins?

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/6...0/NA015733.jpg

:hmmm:

Raptor1 09-27-10 07:32 AM

Yes.

XabbaRus 09-27-10 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1503482)
F-105 Thunderchief, the combat losses were well, outrageous.The Thud lacked the more advanced bomb sights and thus was forced to dive bomb, much like a WW II era dive bomber.The Thud, while very fast was large and not that agile, pilots had a difficult time evading SAMs and clouds of flak that other planes dealt with but did not suffer the loss rates.

Brave me they were, to go into battle in a plane like that...

Disagree. It racked up high combat losses due to being at the forefront of the bombing campaign. The dive bombing issue was due to it being designed as a low level strike bomber and since production had stopped they weren't going to update it.

It was the perfect example of an aircraft being asked to do a job for which it hadn't been designed.

JSLTIGER 09-27-10 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus (Post 1503585)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1503482)
F-105 Thunderchief, the combat losses were well, outrageous.The Thud lacked the more advanced bomb sights and thus was forced to dive bomb, much like a WW II era dive bomber.The Thud, while very fast was large and not that agile, pilots had a difficult time evading SAMs and clouds of flak that other planes dealt with but did not suffer the loss rates.

Brave me they were, to go into battle in a plane like that...

Disagree. It racked up high combat losses due to being at the forefront of the bombing campaign. The dive bombing issue was due to it being designed as a low level strike bomber and since production had stopped they weren't going to update it.

It was the perfect example of an aircraft being asked to do a job for which it hadn't been designed.

Agree with this. My grandfather worked for Republic Aviation on the 105s (he also has talked to me about the never built XF-103...cool plane but ahead of its time). He complains bitterly that the 105 was being regularly asked to do things that it was never designed to do. It was never meant to be a conventional bomber, it was supposed to get in, drop a nuke (for which precision is kind of unimportant, hence the lack of sights) and get out.

krashkart 09-27-10 08:29 AM

I've always kind of liked the Thud. Classy looking bird in some respects. :)


EDIT - Although, I wonder what my opinion of it would be had I ever flown one.

JSLTIGER 09-27-10 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1 (Post 1503565)
Not sure if it counts, but how about the S-class Zeppelins?

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/6...0/NA015733.jpg

I'd say that's probably a fairly good nomination.

Combat aircraft? Yes.

Slow, low payload, expensive to operate, huge target, and oh yeah, basically a flying bomb itself (thank you hydrogen, which + tracers = boom).

Jimbuna 09-27-10 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1 (Post 1503583)
Yes.

LOL :DL

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Originally Posted by JSLTIGER (Post 1503629)
I'd say that's probably a fairly good nomination.

Combat aircraft? Yes.

Slow, low payload, expensive to operate, huge target, and oh yeah, basically a flying bomb itself (thank you hydrogen, which + tracers = boom).

I'd agree....I was thinking of the Zeppelin earlier on :yep:


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