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I'm goin' down 07-31-10 06:43 PM

hey,
 
JC-you figured out before I did!

FYI. I posted a link to yours and Nisgeis' threads in the main forum. I am on practice mission no. 1.

(Tankers? Oh Tankers? Come out and playee. COME OUT AND PLAYEE! [courtesy of and adapted from the great climatic finale of the cult, gang war classic, The Warriors])

razark 07-31-10 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Channing (Post 1457300)
There is a bug in the game whereby if you leave the radar station it reverts from "Focus" to "Sweep" mode. If you rurn the radar off before you leave when you come back and turn it back on you will be in the same position as when you left. Cuts down on having to re-acquire the contact and saves you time when you are doing your plot.

Drove me nuts until Nisgeis pointed this out to me.

JCC

Ok, so really just a convenience thing, not something that would confuse data.

I'm playing a patrol right now. I don't have a target, because I had to dive for an airplane. I'm just having fun fiddling with the dials, setting up things, and watching them spin. Wheeeeeeeee!

I'm goin' down 07-31-10 09:54 PM

Ha! Ha!
 
Johnson's Corollary to Murphy's law.

The odds of the buttered side of the bread landing face down on the carpet increase in direct proportion to the cost of the rug.

Training Mission No. 1 (giggle, giggle) - Set the course on the 3D TDC... done! Send it to the TDC...Done! Set the speed ... done! Turn on the sonar PPI scope and find the target... done! Go the A scope and find the target...done! Almost there (giggle, giggle). Take range and bearing readings from the devices near the A scope...done. Go the periscope view, raise periscope and swivil it to the bearing reading...What the hell. LMAO.:haha: Its raining cats and dogs. Nisgeis must be up to his old tricks again. :har:

arnahud2 08-01-10 06:31 AM

Hi John, what an awesome job you did with this tutorial, and many thanks for the 07/31 update, so : :yeah:

'Will spend my two weeks holidays studying and trying it in details, that will prevent Nisgeis (:up:) to personally show me the best way to avoid (my) common 600 yards and more errors in (my) firing solutions with radar...

@Nisgeis, et si vous êtes francophone ;) : merci beaucoup pour l'aide que vous m'avez si gentiment proposée, j'aprecie beaucoup la qualité de votre SAV (:salute:).

Best regards,

sergei 08-01-10 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Channing (Post 1457110)
Now with more TDC Goodness.

Thanks for the updated tutorial and video JC. :up:

John Channing 08-01-10 08:51 AM

Thanks.

If the video about entering the course doesn't make sense I have made one with step by step instructions. If anyone needs it let me know and I will upload it.

JCC

Gerald 08-01-10 09:45 AM

You are really talented and a very good description!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Channing (Post 1447733)
Part 2...



Hope you don't mind and thanks for the compliment!




Because the course setting function does not really explain well in pictures I have uploaded a brief video showing a two step process for getting the contact's course onto the TDC.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=2744

With practice you can do it in one step, but to start I used 2.

Good Hunting!

JCC

:DL

irish1958 08-01-10 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Channing (Post 1457518)
Thanks.

If the video about entering the course doesn't make sense I have made one with step by step instructions. If anyone needs it let me know and I will upload it.

JCC

John, I need ALL the help I can get; would you please post the link for us who are conceptually challenged (i.e., dumb):O:

arnahud2 08-01-10 02:07 PM

Yes, i agree with Irish1958, some of us needs this video. Could you upload it, your work is greatly appreciated ?

Thanks.

Nisgeis 08-01-10 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendor (Post 1457561)
:DL

Vendor, any chance you could edit your post so you don't quote all the pics? It's a bit long :DL.

Has anyone had any success with the TDC, who hadn't previously used it?

John Channing 08-01-10 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arnahud2 (Post 1457719)
Yes, i agree with Irish1958, some of us needs this video. Could you upload it, your work is greatly appreciated ?

Thanks.

OK, guys.. here you go!

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=2747

JCC

Nisgeis 08-01-10 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arnahud2 (Post 1457467)
@Nisgeis, et si vous êtes francophone ;) : merci beaucoup pour l'aide que vous m'avez si gentiment proposée, j'aprecie beaucoup la qualité de votre SAV (:salute:).

I had to look up what SAV meant - not heard that before. That's what the forum is all about. Two people working together can do more than twice the work of a single person working alone. Maru-Maru, je te plumerai. :-)

arnahud2 08-01-10 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nisgeis (Post 1457799)
Maru-Maru, je te plumerai. :-)

:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

"Alouette, je te plumerai" :O:

What does SAV mean ? Really simple : when you bought something, like a car, for ex., if there any troubles with it within the guarantee period, you will have to get back your car to your seller, for maintenance and/or repairing : that's the S.A.V. (Service Après Vente)

regards

John Channing 08-01-10 04:55 PM

La plume de ma tante est sure la tableau!

But seriously, folks...

I have to share this with you guys.

To get myself in the mood I read through the first war patrol of the USS Tang. One of the things I find captivating about these war patrol reports is the all the uncertaintity they were faced with when persuing a contact. What is it's base course? What is it's speed? Did we guess the mast height correctly. Did we identify it correctly? All of the unknows coming together that had to be solved for a sucessful prosecution. Facinating.

And that's was most Sub-sims have been missing. You see the contact on the map, you zoom over in high TC, get into a a perfect firing position, you identify the ship using built-in code and ZAP... he's dead. Fun, but it really does wear out eventually.

Until now.

This is a whole new game. After getting stoked on Cpt. O'Kane's report I continued my patrol in the Sea of Japan. The entire transit there had been uneventful with only one radar contact as I was coming through the La Pérouse Strait , but I lost it in a bad storm. I dove and got a very faint hit, but it faded out and I gave up.

Just like real life!

4 days later and now I am really being put to the test. I have four contacts, traveling in a line, zig zagging in weather that could charitably described as awful. Howling winds, heavy seas, zero visibility and I am tracking them with radar and the solution I have in the TDC. Unlike before where once you had a contact on a map you were almost guaranteed a kill, now I have no idea how this is going to turn out. In fact... I am beginnng to suspect these are sampans or fishing boats from their behaviour... but I have no idea at this point.

The echo's of Capt Richard O'Kane's patrol reports are loud and amazing. I have been tracking this contact for 2 hours and haven't used TC once. I can't! I need all the time I can get just to figure out what they are doing. It took me almost 1/2 hour just to get their speed down (a process which prior to this mod was about a four minute job). I am still not confident in their course but I am gojng with what I have for now. The zig zags are driving me crazy.

My hat is off to Nisgeis. This is the game I wanted from the day it was announced!

Now.. if I only had a Distance to Track dial...

:D

JCC

Nisgeis 08-01-10 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Channing (Post 1457838)
Now.. if I only had a Distance to Track dial...

How do you know about that dial? Spies! That's on my list, I just haven't done it yet (it will go where the SBC would have been). Interestingly (or not) Range to Track was an update to the mark 3 TDC, which later had that update put on hold and was never seen in the later Mark 4.


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