Here dig through this and see if you can be a citizen.

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis


Now try the paperwork without internet.

Are you saying this is too hard for them and we should make it even easier? What's so difficult about the website? I find it pretty easy to navigate through myself. We make things a lot more convenient and easy to use than most other nations do by far. Mexico's immigration laws are even stricter than our own. And where is their online offering for convenience? :hmmm:

You just don't get the bigger picture do you.

Our government has failed us by not securing the border.

There government is to corrupt and has let them down, and I'm sure turns a blind eye to the whole mess, after all they benefit from the money coming back in.

We are talking about people who have nothing. They are not criminals [until they cross the border}or even lazy, they just have no way for a better life where they are at, so human nature being what it is you go somewhere else if you can't make things better where you are. They do not have the resources to immigrate legally and no we should not change our rules to make it easier for them. We need the border locked down period.

So if you had no resources to improve your life for your family, YOU HAVE NOTHING, your government has failed you, but you have a chance at a better life somewhere else but you could die getting there and you stand on your principles and say No I would not do it cause it is wrong. :har: Obviously you have never been in a bad situation.

But yet you would gladly shoot them one by one as they cross the border, WOW

Illegals have wiped out my trade, This really P###### me off but we allowed it to happen, and yes they need to leave, without trial, and put back where they came from and make sure they cannot come back across.
But killing someone for this reason is just morally wrong, even the Founding Fathers would agree, you cannot kill someone for wanting something better, especially if one's own government failed them. Simple solution arrest them, send them home, Lock the border.

Many of our ancestors fought off tyrannical British rule. Other nations have risen up and challenged their own governments to change it for the betterment of their people. Why don't they risk their lives doing that instead of flooding America? If they want their country to be like America, then they need to fight for it just like we had to do. The last thing we need is a bunch of illegals leaching off of us. They're swamping the boat!

Um just so I am sure you are sure you claim are a police officer right? Maybe I am mistaken because if an officer has a view that Any means necessary to eradicate aliens from the country is a good thing. Than in my opinion something is SERIOUSLY wrong with the police department in such a country or parish.

Violently tough Eradicate? Are you insane man? You do anything of the sort and the rest of the world wont just view us as hypocrites we would face serious economic retaliation and even International involvement that would put us in a SERIOUS situation FAST. FAR FAR worse than it is now.

Never mind, just get the heck out of this forum please man

August we have had disagreements in the past but let me say man that is one of the best posts I have seen here in a LONG time! :rock:

Dear god man..... I never thought I would see the day I would read such a horrific post on subsim.

If somehow you are really a police officer will you please inform your superiors about your post? I think they and the people of your county deserve to know they have an officer with such views claiming to "Protect and Serve" in my opinion.

Actually, what's worse than anything is your opinion that nobody else should have an opinion - especially one that is not your own. You're the absolutist! Talk about denying people freedom! You're a hypocrite! While I do admit that my opinion is not the popular one right now, that doesn't mean much to me. Popular opinion prior to the Revolutionary war was not to go to war with Britain. I say, Thank God for those folks with the unpopular decision to go to war with Britain!

I'm not sure how the US would be punished by the rest of the world, nor do I care. I highly doubt that anything would really be done to the US for enforcing stricter sanctions on illegal criminals within our own country? Your assumptions are just nonsensical speculation. You have no proof and nor do you speak for the entire world.

Finally, I don't see any racism here. People keep playing that racism card for whatever reason.

Honestly, I don't care what race any of these illegal immigrants are. In my book, they are all criminal scumbags and should be treated as such. I don't particularly like criminal scumbags - especially being a police officer.

I don't see how building a wall is going to stop illegal immigration. While it might help a little, it does not solve the problem. The problem could be solved by establishing more severe forms of punishment. Punishment is a deterrent if it's administered in an effective manner. Show ALL illegal criminals that invading our nation won't be tolerated any longer!

If the US gets into the business of granting amnesty to illegal criminals then it will have to do so on a fair basis as to avoid racism lawsuits. That means that Al-Qaeda types will also have to be given a free pass to live here so they can plan out even more effective and devastating attacks against Americans on their own soil. What will you say then? What will you say if any of it directly affects you and your family? I live in the south and I've seen illegal immigrants rape and kill US citizens in their own homes. If that happened to your family would you still be so generous towards them? I highly doubt it.

Lastly, you have a problem with my comment about the Native Americans. Why though? It was our own government (elected officials) that encouraged and financially endorsed their slaughter. Today we're supposed to look back on that in shame! But why though? If it hadn't been done, there would be no USA. Our leaders did what they had to do.

Yeah life sucks sometimes and it sucks worse for those that lose and get conquered. But that's the price the losing party pays for losing. This world has gotten damn soft compared to the way it used to be but look what that's done. It's allowed political correctness to replace truth and allowed criminals to overrun the country to the place that we now have to argue about them and their rights and what states decide to do about trying to protect their own from being overrun! That's what I find shameful.

It isn't that your opinion is not popular, its that from your posts you appear to be someone who needs to be locked away in a mental institution.

Thats right, people with such problems should never have any position which requires responsibility, they certainly shouldn't be allowed anywhere near firearms and really should have close adult sepervision before they are even allowed to pick up a plastic spoon.

Then tell me wise guy, what is YOUR plan for dealing with this problem? Just give these people a free pass? Do nothing at all? WHAT!?

It's so easy for you to just sit there and ridicule others that are offering suggestions and solutions to a problem when you yourself aren't contributing to the topic at all. "Oh, I think you're crazy and need to be locked away" yet you offer nothing legitimate to this discussion other than personal insults towards people who have a differing opinion than your own. You've displayed this several times now under several different topics.

My idea is no crazier than what Harry Truman did during WWII. Some thought he was crazy for it but others still thank him wholeheartedly for it since they know that if he hadn't there would have been a lot more American GIs and Japanese killed during an invasion of Japan's mainland.

I can answer you that from my perspective. Your comment was worded pretty harshly. It might not have seemed that way to you but it certainly struck me as odd. I haven't heard or read a statement like that in many years and even then it wasn't worded as harshly.

Here is the paragraph in full (for fairness) from which that statement had been quoted:

See the part that I underlined? The American Indian is still alive and kicking. Our ancestors didn't eradicate them, they simply shuffled the survivors off to reservations. You came off as not only racist but ignorant as well. The rest of your argument, however true it may be, got lost in the translation. I don't know how else to explain it, thorn.

EDIT:

Tribesman is one of our resident intellectual ass-whoopers. Good luck tangling with him. ;)

You think mass public executions so people can hear screams from people being killed for minor crimes is somehow even on the same planetry plane as the two bombing attacks on Japan in WW2???????

It is a simple matter of enforcing current legislation.
New legislation isn't required and crazy measures like your proposals belong in the nuthouse.

Look at the comments directed at your views.......
I wonder if Homeland Security is reading this thread yet.

if you actually do try to carry out your threat to eradicate human beings then i'd be happy to sit on your jury and vote to put you in a little tiny cell for the next 70-80 years.

So how does one go about recruiting these 21st century Einsatzkommandoes?

you're one sick and twisted person

You must be what they were referring to as a domestic enemy.

You are a much greater danger to America and to freedom than any foreigner in this country, legal or otherwise.

I wasn't being racist. I don't know any native American Indians. Why is that? Because our governmental leadership had them slaughtered off. There are very few true blooded Native Americans in this country left anymore. Their population is extremely small. My point with that was the effectiveness that could be achieved in dealing with this current crisis. You've allowed liberal teachings to brainwash you into feeling shame for doing what was a necessity back in the day. Neither you, or I, had anything to do with that. But unlike you, I'm grateful for what was done, because it was what had to be done. Had it not been done, neither you, or I, would be here today.

I'm not advocating that common citizens should be going around and slaughtering off the illegals either. I am advocating for tougher laws that promote executions for these people vs. costly deportation methods and long prison sentences that have proven not to work.

Stricter laws should also be imposed on any employer, or person, that aids these people and gives them shelter or work. They are just as much the problem as the criminal invaders are.

Tribesman seems like nothing more than a liberal bagpipe full of hot air to me! ;)

Nice try. I really do not believe that a return to the old ways is going to make matters any better for the States. The solutions that you are proposing will not work in today's world. Might work for some place like Iran. But it will not work for the US, not without backlash. Some of us do still care enough about our country to know that.

Enjoy your stay in the shark tank.

Minor crime? Dude, you're living in Denialville USA! That must be somewhere up north where illegal immigration isn't directly affecting you and your family. How selfish of you to neglect your countrymen in the south who've been having to deal with this ever increasing problem that our federal government has neglected to enforce.

Looks like you've listed several defamatory remarks aimed at me for offering an unpopular opinion. What's new? Many people have been beaten, stoned, shot, and tortured for having an unpopular opinion. But isn't it just funny how all to often those unpopular opinions eventually become the opinions that the majority end up sharing down the road?!

How do you know what will work and won't work? You don't have any proof that can support this claim of yours. That's true ignorance. What's worse, is you've still not offered an opinion of what should be done. Just more insults at the one guy with the balls enough to have an opinion and express it. Perhaps it was a bit naive of me to have done so, but then again, I don't really give a damn either. :rotfl2:

Somebody needed to say it.