LOL seems JScones calculated his shot pretty well, adressing nobody in particular, but getting soome response...

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Even the ANNOUNCEMENT means that Ubisoft admits a screw-up.
and that OSP Users are bound for more scheisse of that kind.

LOL@all those that knew what was up, and now suffer despite better knowledge. No sympathy...
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Oooghaaa.. Ooooghaa.. :ping: fanboy ahead ! Man the torpedo room, dive dive !

Please, don't overexaggerate.

I guarantee that if they removed the DRM to something reasonable and got on with patching the game, most people would shut their mouths.

Its pretty much the majority opinion of users and the press that this DRM is unreasonable. Except for the few fanboys out there, I have yet to read an article on how this is a reasonable DRM solution. :nope:

Ubisoft has given us barebones of games in the past that modders turned into something very reasonable. SHIII+GWX is probably more than reasonable, but I don't know about SHIV+OM as I never bought it after the initial release disaster.

So I guess what most people simply here want, is at least nothing less than the previous releases in terms of both quality, and DRM hampering. I'm sure if Ubi announced to removed OSP DRM for single player games and replace it with something less hindering, than people would quickly be rather happy. The bugs in SHV from what I can just are with the exceptions of a few not very serious, and if the proposed high moddabilty is really what devs said it would be, then everything else will come into place if still enough serious modders are interested in SHV at this point (like the GWX team, for one single example out of many I cannot all credit here).

As for the bigger picture, of course a lot of customers are rightfully annoyed by Ubisofts OSP concept that in the end obviously hurt legal customers more than pirates. And for having repeated the "SHIV disaster release" mega-event instead of postponing until really thorough beta testing and content implementation would have been complete -- you get the point. If I had put my money into this game, I'd be a little unhappy too.
From there on, it is just nature of curiousity as to what will happen in the bigger picture. Whether many other customers concur with this view and it will show in the next Ubisoft quarter sales report, and overall sales, or whether actually most of the casual customers won't care. For my part, I see it as an experiment that Ubisoft performed (if you'd consequent on the point: an experiment on the customers), and as a scientist I am naturally curious as to the outcome.

In a way, I would like to see Ubisoft go the way that Relic (THQ) went with the Dawn of War Series. Basically, loyal and satisfied customers will buy the expansions (most of them are actually stand-alone expansions) to get access to the previous game and expansions units for MP play. Now, with the Steam activation, it makes it a viable option for both the customer and the publisher.

So bottom line is that Relic/THQ/Steam combo is getting you a large player-base, a DRM that ain't as draconian as Ubi's and allow the devs to make the game over a few years better and better. The original Dawn of War is probably one of the longest running engine and has most likely the most expansions released for a RTS game.

How about a key card a manual in COLOR that you can actually READ :hmmm:

Don't you think you're going just a little bit overboard here? I have had no issue with Ubisoft until now. I've bought many of their titles, have a cougar HOTAS setup from them and have basically given them hundreds if not thousands of my hard earned cash over the years. But now I won't give them a single penny because of the stance they have taken. Cause and effect here, plain and simple. If they got rid of the requirement for always online I'd never post another word about it and be a happy camper and buy SHV as I originally intended. I'd even be happy with the Steam option of playing it offline when I choose to do so. But because I have several friends in the service who cannot play due to their restrictions and because I find it just a bit over the top, to put it quite mildly, I have "ranted" on these boards and elsewhere about it. If you don't complain and not buy it how will they know you're against it?

I was using hyperbole as a device to point out how ridiculous things have become. Some examples...




It seems that one side of this discussion has reserved the use of it for their own arguements. I, not surprisingly, disagree.

As to your point about making a choice, that is absolutely correct. You made your choice. Other people made theirs. You have your opinions, other people have theirs. The difference is that when the (small "p") pro side makes any comment that does not fall into the Anti-Ubisoft mindset they are replied to as follows...

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oooghhaa.. oooghhaa.. Dive ! Dive ! Fanboy spotted !

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Oooghaaa.. Ooooghaa.. :ping: fanboy ahead ! Man the torpedo room, dive dive !

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I'm guessing you are over 50 and know very little about computers and the internet.

These type of personal attacks were rarely (I did not say never) a part of the the Subsim.com community until recently. Now they have become the norm. We seem to have a lot of new people here who don't know how to, or are incapable of, carrying on a civil discussion. Neal seems to want to allow this for the time being... so be it. But that doesn't mean that people who disagree with the anti-Ubisoft posts have to hide away and let the ranters run wild, does it? Or are they the only ones now allowed to express their opinions?

Anyhoo, back to SH 5.


I have a lovely, big Cimmaron Tanker in my sites that I have been saving for a special occasion.



JCC

Its a popular tactic in game industry today, so i personally won`t be surprised ;)

100% With you on your reaction toward the emerging behaviors here. Stated it many times before in the past: Subsim.com always amazed me by the respect and quality of conversation to be found around. Right now it looks like reading gamereplay.org or something... :down:

I'm actually anti DRM and have said so in another thread. Also not happy about the state of the game released. I do however own a copy and am enjoying playing it (with a few mods)

I just thought I'd weigh in and say that I agree with you John, I remember the uproar when SHIV was released , but I'm pretty sure it never got to the extent we see now. When you get personal with a discussion , well you've lost the argument really.

I had the same problem with my copy of SH3. There is however a solution, most of the copies released after the original (value range) do not include StarForce, and are compatible with Vista 64. As such, I purchased one of the value range copies here, which came patched to 1.4, and without aforementioned copy protection.

I only spent about £3 tops, and the game works perfectly, aside from the resolution issues (stretched 2D screens).

Great post JC http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...s/thumbsup.gif

I agree, I don't remember this level of behavior with the last two releases since I've been on board the past 5 years, but unfortunately it isn't just one sided. I've seen the same kind of behavior from those that have bought it that are "fed up" with hearing opinions that don't align with theirs. Strong emotions are being thrown out and with the same frequency/spamming on both sides, imho. Most probably don't feel that they're doing it, I know I don't but am sure others may feel that I have for all I know, but there's never a reason to include a personal attack in expressing your opinion. But some here get roped into doing the old tit for tat and would claim "they didn't start it", etc.... while engaging in the same sort of behavior. It's tiring for both sides. As for Neal allowing this for the time being, maybe he's hoping it will just naturally die down of its own accord and if not then he'll pull out his big stick in order to keep those that need to be kept in line. I'm happy to read about what people like about this game, helps me form my own opinion about what I may or may not like about it, hopefully some day I'll be able to find out for myself whether it's actually true regarding those opinions. Guess we all need to thicken our hulls and resist the urge to respond to the more "petty" types of posts.

Have fun! I'm going back to my SHIV and OM for the same kind of enjoyment. ;)

Additional content obtained through the uplay service has been intended from the start, one of the reasons only the type VII's are available to play atm, and one of the reasons for the drm's inclusion to restrict access to that content. Several dev blogs and interviews outlined their intention to offer additional dlc post launch.
DLC are here to stay, expect more and more titles to be released content lite, with additional packs available at extra cost, filling out what should really have been included at the outset.

The only reason the discussions are getting heated is Ubi's customer-raping DRM. Oddly.. a few, such as yourself, still manage to defend Ubi and their DRM.

Which is just wonderful until you feel the need to complain about other people's opposite opinion here. Don't be surprised if many heatedly disagree with your support of such a system when you openly take a side against them.

I would happily tell anyone having issues to use "other means" to use the game they bought. And it's Ubi's fault.