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OneToughHerring 02-23-10 12:21 PM

Kapitan (The UK Husky?),

So? What is the UK going to do? A pre-emptive strike? Going to bomb them into liking you?

The Argentinians aren't happy, that's the point and by ignoring their point in this will further erode the UK's already tarnished reputation world wide.

Kapitan 02-23-10 12:44 PM

The only tarnished relation will be argentinas they are already shunned by the USA in 1982 the USA helped us by not only giving us complete access to satalites but also offering us a carrier and warships if we needed them.

I dare say they will do the same this time as they kinda owe us one if you get me.

Not only is argentina shunned by the USA its two nieghbors Chile (allied to the UK) and brazil (also in some form allied to the UK) offered thier support back in 1982 chilie would have invaded mainland argentina if the british had done so, so the only black sheep really is argentina.

Going to war with britian argentina faces a rough time they have nothing to match the capability of our navy, nor the finace availible to them i dont want to sound to c**tish but realistically they are 2nd world nation.

It is entirely thier own doing if they want to proceade learn a lesson from last time look what happened the junta got over thrown and argentina nearly went bankrupt another war would finnish them.

I have no sympathy for any nation who wants to invade another simply because they are upset about something that is not thiers.

My answer tuff sh*t

Kapitan 02-23-10 12:46 PM

No we wouldnt because that means we have declared war, let them do it first because then that opens the gate to other areas such as other nations sanctioning argentina not to mention allying with us and also gives us reason to go to war let them do the leg work first.

We are not ignoring thier protest just mearly pointing out to them its our get lost.

OneToughHerring 02-23-10 01:07 PM

I'm not saying that Argentina is necessarily the darling of the international community but what is absolutely certain is that the UK isn't either. And to cry for your 'special friend' US wouldn't improve that one bit.

I think the only way you're going to get some kind of final settlement into this is by un-anchoring the islands and sailing them beside the UK. And then maybe un-anchoring the British isles and sailing them beside the US. Although I kind of doubt that will happen...

Kapitan 02-23-10 01:20 PM

If you got paid 500 euros would you like me to come bargeing in and saying i want 250 of your euros? i dont think you would would you the point is these are our little islands its in our zone therefore what ever is under it on it or 200 miles surrounding it is ours.

Dont you think you would get a bit pi$$ed if i kept parking my car on your drive? i think you would tell me to move it basically what britain is saying to argentina this is my land i do what i want with it and believe me we will.

We are not by any shape of the immagination the best nation on earth no country is that includes finland USA Russia china and argentina.

If the russian army came into finalnd and said ok from now on your all russian your identities need to change and nationalities and your now governed under russian rule i think you would be slightly effed off at that so why should we do that to the BRITISH PEOPLE in the falklands?

kranz 02-23-10 01:24 PM

I get diesel oil at BP so I say YES :D

OneToughHerring 02-23-10 01:41 PM

IMO it would better to compare the UK to Russia and Argentina to Finland. Two big, old imperialist nations vs. two smaller countries who's areas are occupied by the old imperialist nations (in Finland's case Karelia is occupied by Russia). And the way I see it imperialism is no longer in vogue as much as it was, say, 150 years ago.

August 02-23-10 01:48 PM

You guys keep feeding the troll. How's it working out for you?

OneToughHerring 02-23-10 02:38 PM

And more trolling by August. :down:

Oberon 02-23-10 02:54 PM

Good? Bad? We're the guys with the guns.

Bubblehead1980 02-23-10 03:14 PM

Actually it is simple.They lost the war, so they have no claim.

OneToughHerring 02-23-10 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1278188)
Actually it is simple.They lost the war, so they have no claim.

And India will never get it's independence because...Oh wait! :hmmm:

Oberon 02-23-10 03:17 PM

To iterate further upon the above phrase. It is indeed incredibly unfair from a strictly black and white perspective that the United Kingdom has the Falkland Islands, and indeed it is unfair that it will be drawing oil from reserves underground which will probably drain reserves from Argentinian territory.
However, it's also unfair that MOSSAD uses British passports for assassinations, it's unfair that Britain was invaded by the French in 1066, it's unfair that France was invaded by the Nazis and then by the Allies.
The world is not a fair place. It would be quite nice in some circumstances but not in others if it was fair to everyone, after all, the Nazis and the Communists would demand a fair go, since to Nazis it's unfair that the Third Reich fell, every action is unfair to the person or people which suffer negative consequences of it.
Social history is strung together by a series of dominant empires, with each generation the scope and strength of the empires grows, after all, the British empire touched more, geographically, of the globe than the Roman Empire (not many Romans in China or Australia). Some empires are born not out of geographical mass but of military and political strength. At the moment we are seeing the decline of the American empire with the growth of the Chinese empire, the next generations may well see Beijing as the new Washington, although the Chinese foreign policy is not that of a empire, not in the manner which we have become accustomed to over the centuries, but it is nevertheless extremely powerful, particularly in the financial sector, perhaps it is more accurate to call China a financial empire? However, that is not the discussion for the moment.
One can draw a line back through the ages and witness at each stage a stronger nation dominating a smaller one, with varying degrees of success. Witness how Rome conquered Gaul and Britain in the early ages, only to find itself centuries later invaded by British, French and American forces during the Second World War. However, it's not always a perfect cycle, smaller nations do not always get their chance for revenge, although some do by subverting themselves to the will of larger nations, look at the trouble that Cuba caused the United States during the 1960s when it palled up to Khrushchev, it forced the United States to invest time and resources in firstly a failed invasion and then a successful blockade as well as continual unsuccessful covert missions in an attempt to assassinate Castro and bring down the Communist regime. Could Castro have done that alone? Perhaps but probably not as successfully. This is, perhaps why Argentina is pulling on its friends in South America to add more voices to the UN and other councils to make their voices heard, however, at the end of the day, unless the British government changes its position (which is always possible but considering we're going to be in a Conservative government before the year is out, I'd say pretty bloody unlikely) then all its best attempts to a diplomatic solution will fail, because at the end of the day we are more powerful than they are, and we have more powerful friends than they do.
If Argentina had, I don't know, US support both diplomatically and militarily, then the British Army wouldn't be out of there fast enough! However, it does not, and so the forces will stay.
Unfair? Yes. But then again, the world is unfair and nothing you or I can say or do will ever change that fact, it has been unfair since the dawn of time, and it will be unfair long after our bones have crumbled into dust.

TLDR? The world is unfair, deal with it. :yep:

(Disclaimer: No offense is intended to any party except those who choose to take it as such. As I have stated elsewhere in this thread, I have nothing against Argentinian people...and as my signature says: 'People don't start wars, governments do.')

Bubblehead1980 02-23-10 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1278193)
And India will never get it's independence because...Oh wait! :hmmm:

Whole different issue....

OneToughHerring 02-23-10 03:35 PM

I think the UK thinks that the only way it can maintain the current level of life for it's citizens (well at least the upper class) is through holding on to the last remnants of it's empire, Falklands included. Although if the UK were to make any wealth from the Falklands it would only end up making some lord or earl somewhere even more richer while the average Brits would be left with nothing. The UK truly is the last monarchy of Europe.

And don't think I'm alone in thinking that the UK should give up a kind of system of inherited wealth and title in favour of a more egalitarian society which would also extend to the foreign politics. Many Brits are getting increasingly fed up with their system as well but since they are from the 'lower classes' their voices are seldom heard.


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