The DRM will go away eventually. So far I see it not as a bad game. Just something different. Someone said it's the "Need for Speed Hot Pursuit" full of eye candy but lacking the depth of prior simulators. That made sense to me. I'm going to enjoy it like any other game instead of constantly comparing it to it's ancestors.

I'm going to buy it when I get the money. Sorry guys, not going to sit around and grunt with yall.

And I support your decision fully. No one should be calling folks names for expressing opinions, and yours is as valid as anyone's.

Good on ya! I for one am not grunting; just stating my opinion as well. I'll buy it when I can play it.

Oh the DRM will eventually go away you say hrmm? Well that's a stretch for optimism. And I'm starting to think even by the time it does, if it does, I'll have lost intrest in this game.

I am Not rooting for the failure of SH5, no more then I want a flat tire.

Still, the bottom line for me & the only real protest left is no purchase with that requirment.

Wouldn't want to be in Neal's shoes these days.

This is the problem. Ubi is not only losing customers today. Many will drift off forever. It will take a long time to get rid of the sour taste after Ubi has lifted the DRM restrictions. It's a very sad situation. :nope::nope::nope::nope::nope:

I agree with you about enjoying offline play. As far as pirates invading your system as a result of the implimented DRM, your firewall ensures against that. Your system is just as vulnerable here as it would be playing the game.

I think an area of greater concern is the safety and protection of the server hosting SH5. I have empathy for someone several years into a campaign when a hacker infects the server, at which time I would hold Ubisoft liable for the emotional damage I suffered......

*Sigh* I can see your thought process. But it's not about loyalty. It's about the numbers, sales, the reality that low sales = RIP SH, and about the love for submarine games. Even if they are unfinished when released and depend on patches and modders to coax them to a higher level.

Man, if you guys have this loyalty thing rooted in your minds, go buy a toaster or something :O:

Meh, my shoes are ok, but ask me in 2020 when I'm still playing SH3,4, and 5...

Awesome! Let's start! You do the programming, ok? I'll do the game design and instruct you on every facet. And everyone else here will tell you how much you suck and refuse to buy the game! :rock: Easy!! You have six weeks to get to milestone#1, get busy.

Ha! Imagine if people had chosen to wisely ignore SH2? I mean, to be honest, it was 18 months overdue, had a scripted campaign, terrible AI and multiplayer, no crews.... yeah, the consumers around here should have skipped it, we all should have put our foot down and skipped SH2. Oh, except for the part that the decent sales of SH2 encouraged Ubi to make SH3....

Yeah, seriously, even with the bugs and missing features, SH4 wasn't as bad as the hysteria described.

Awesome! I'm in. When can I start the moaning? :O:

DRM...drink more rum! :D

You have to have principles. You can`t drop your principles because you like subsims so much. How far does it go? How much will you allow yourself to be taken advantage of because you love subsims? Do you think that company execs and such are saying "we must go easy on the customer because we care so much for them` like you? No, they couldn`t care less for you, only your money.

When Rise Of flight first came out there was some argument in my squad about the 24\7 internet activation. I really like WW1 flight sims, but would not buy the sim if this 24\7 was kept in the game. I was accused that i can`t possibly like WW1 sims enough if that was case. But they completely misunderstood that i love WW1 sims, but I will not be held to ransom by greedy companies using my love of something to take advantage of me.

Now ROF will soon allow an OFFline mode. My patience was worth it, my principles remained intact and the ROF people learned a lesson- We cannot all be taken advatange of just because we love the genre.

The same goes for SHV devs.

And again, less of the wringing of hands because they`re the only ones who make Subsims, there will be others and they don`t care a whit for you as you seem to for them. To them you are just money, that`s all.

And if they are too stubborn to change then it is not up to us to keep their company afloat. If they collapse then that is their own doing. We, the customer, protested, told them why and they didn`t listen. Any company that refuses to listen and act on customer concerns deserves to go down whether we want them to or not.

I must jump in and say that it would be really cool if subsim developed and published its own submarine simulator. :DL

No! You've got it backwards! YOU don't design the game, the community does. Every design decision you make, you charge people $0.10 to vote in a poll. The most popular option gets done. The beauty is, you can ask if the community think the game is finished yet and they will pay to vote No! You get the money, we all get a say and no one gets a half finished game. It's win all round. When they want automatic TDC that is also semiautomatic AND manual AND voice controlled AND handled by your 1st watch officer AND your tracking party AND the Captain, just like we all know is and isn't realistic (whatever that is) at the same time, you can just have extra 'options', which of course would require an extra poll.

I'm not on the other side of the DRM issue. I do agree the publishers' reaction to piracy, real or imagined, is hastening the end of pc gaming. But I believe the death spiral was well underway before DRM. PC gaming has been losing out to consoles for years now. A simple stroll through the pc games section (if it even still exists) of an electronics store tells the tale. They'll dick around with various DRM schemes for a few more years, further alienating their customers, but ultimately they'll just stop making them and put their development money into lowest common denomitor console games. What this community does or doesn't won't change that.

I'm too old and tired for noble causes and banging my head against the wall and always losing. Been there. Done that. Wasn't worth the pain. I freely admit, my reasons for wanting to get what I can now are purely selfish.

I don't wish SH5 a fail... but its graphs have much less quality than what exists today on SH4... so again would have to be the community to solve the holes left from one unfinished game.

And I've not played it yet to see what else lacks... therefore I'm not that impressed with what I've seen of SH5 till now.

my point
 

(I was in the intense SH2 debate and it was i n t e n s e.)

Same reason why I compared Bioschock 2 and about things that turned out to be about just sooo much true, according to pre-talks about the saves,online profile upload (big item this one) etc,etc, and then reality was completly different.

That is exactly why I want to buy SH5 and see for myself first.

Reason in my opinion is one. Too many bugs and than too many patches and bugs again. U-boat with English commands... A small mistake, error... let`s do anything to sail more? Wrong way.
And next thing... This game isn`t for everybody not for mass. We got game from Ubi for everybody. So this is the way to make a BIG money. I know, it`s a busines, but business could be good too.
Fail the SH5? No, fail wrong idea.
I saw... I read... somewhere, I don`t remember where and when... this game is for us they are reading our threads and listening us... Am I wrong or I`m a stupid guy?
And I think... if someone love this game will buy it. So Ubi team don`t spoil this time again, PLEASE.
Sorry for my English...